Wade in Tmac's Orlando situation

[TheKingOfVa360]

Wade just isn't a real NBA superstar. He isn't the player he is hyped up to be. It's that simple.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

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If you put Wade in Tmac's position in Orlando, or in Tmac's position in Houston, I'd be willing to bet you he wouldn't have made it out of the 1st round either. He's been the victim of very bad circumstances. Its no secret the West has been the varsity to the East's JV the last 4 years or so. Only this year is that slowly starting to change, with Boston and Detroit's revival, but there are STILL 10 teams in the West right now with 21 or more wins, while only 3 in the East.

who knows how Wade wouldve done vs. Utah last year...

You put a guy that usually shoots 50% and gets to the FT like against a team like Utah, with no interior D and a team that just hacks a lot.

Who knows...

Who else did Tmac play in the 1st round? Detroit and Dallas, right? ... 2 teams that Wade and the Heat were not supposed to beat.

[Das]

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If you had Shaq averaging 13/10 in the NBA Finals?

Please. This is probably one of the worse threads in RealGM history.

This goes back to what I said...

Wade gets all the credit when they won the championship, why cant he get all the blame???

I agree that he should be blamed for all the things thats gone wrong with the Heats this year, but I also dont agree that he should get all the credit for winning it all a couple years ago.

He won it with Shaq, like Shaq won it with Kobe and so - on and so - forth...

[D-Wade]

Wade just isn't a real NBA superstar. He isn't the player he is hyped up to be. It's that simple.

Apparently, neither is Kobe judging back to the year they traded Shaq.

Neither is LeBron for his first 2 seasons where Cleveland missed the playoffs.

In other words, your logic is irrelevant.

[jzmagik]

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Shaq is still Shaq?

Wow. Obviously, you haven't watched basketball in about 5 years.

I would never lower myself to arguing basketball with you.

You absolutely have no knowledge of anything that can be even remotely considered basketball. LOL at your "I would never lower myself to arguing basketball with you". If you have nothing else to say, you can GTFO of my thread.

[xcomputerman]

you can GTFO of my thread.

How pathetic.

[D-Wade]

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If you put Wade in Tmac's position in Orlando, or in Tmac's position in Houston, I'd be willing to bet you he wouldn't have made it out of the 1st round either. He's been the victim of very bad circumstances. Its no secret the West has been the varsity to the East's JV the last 4 years or so. Only this year is that slowly starting to change, with Boston and Detroit's revival, but there are STILL 10 teams in the West right now with 21 or more wins, while only 3 in the East.

Uh huh.

If you do this, if you do that, blah blah blah.

The NBA isn't about if's.

Fact = Wade is an NBA Finals MVP.
Fact = T-Mac has never led a team beyond round one.

I can easily say,

"If Dwyane Wade's knee was 100%"
or
"If Dwyane Wade had Yao Ming & Houston's supporting cast"

But what does that prove? Nothing.

Too much NBA 2k8, IMO. I don't blame you though.

[D-Wade]

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You absolutely have no knowledge of anything that can be even remotely considered basketball. LOL at your "I would never lower myself to arguing basketball with you". If you have nothing else to say, you can GTFO of my thread.

You are obviously a jealous hater.

I mean, look at your **** signature. How pathetic.

You are envious of what we have and YOU DON'T.

Why bother argue with the illogical? It's pointless.

[shaqfan1]

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This goes back to what I said...

Wade gets all the credit when they won the championship, why cant he get all the blame???

I agree that he should be blamed for all the things thats gone wrong with the Heats this year, but I also dont agree that he should get all the credit for winning it all a couple years ago.

He won it with Shaq, like Shaq won it with Kobe and so - on and so - forth...

This describes this thread perfectly. That is almost sig worthy.

[shaqfan1]

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You absolutely have no knowledge of anything that can be even remotely considered basketball. LOL at your "I would never lower myself to arguing basketball with you". If you have nothing else to say, you can GTFO of my thread.

You're the one implying that Shaq is still the same Shaq he was in LA. That is a very ignorant thing to say.

[xcomputerman]

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This describes this thread perfectly. That is almost sig worthy.

Indeed.

[D-Wade]

I also find it hilarious how Kobe has never led a team beyond the first round either. I mean, when Kobe won those 3 titles, who was the main man on the team? Who was the main cause for success? Dwyane Wade won a title with a Shaquille O'Neal who was about half of what he was in LA.

Oh, and by the way, this is coming from a guy whose FAVORITE PLAYER is Kobe Bryant.

I just don't get the hate, lol. I really don't. However, I remember RealGM vividly in Kobe's first year without Shaq. There were about 5-10 Kobe threads per week similar to this one. Now he has a prominent big man again and everyone's back on his dick. AMAZING.

As for Tracy McGrady, one can't compare because he has that big man as well, yet he's never seen a light of the success shared by Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade.

[Flash3]

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LOL Shaq is still Shaq, its amazing how people continue to say degrade Shaq's impact to make Wade look better by quantifying his performance.

Nope.

Shaq is still not Shaq. He's not, anyway you want to cut it.

And, the same thing, again?

[kbitboc]

Let me ask you guys a question:

If the Celtics win a title this year or next, what will you say about KG who couldn't carry a team until he was placed with TWO All-Star teammates? I'd love to hear 20 pages of responses to this question.

I also find it funny how people fail to mention Kobe's failure to carry the Lakers to .500 a few years ago. Lamar Odom & Caron Butler (even with a bummed knee back then) are obviously superior to any of Wade's "supporting" garbage.

That's because it's still heaps better than what Wade is leading his team to. I probably won't fault Wade if he doesn't lead his team to the playoff this year since his team is not that good to begin with but at least lead his team better than a .250 record. When you are a superstar, like you guys say wade is, that superstar alone should be able to lead a team to a .400 record or at least close to it regardless of who your teammates are. When your team record is around .200, that's unacceptable for any superstar player.

[Bucs80]

Shaq is top 10 Player of all-time. I can't just give all the credit to Wade. Because his precense just helps out Wade tremendously. I also give credit to the refs aswell.

If your gonna give Wade all the credit in that. Then I might aswell give him all the blame in this one.

[Flash3]

If your gonna give Wade all the credit in that. Then I might aswell give him all the blame in this one.

I don't think you have that many saying otherwise to this claim.

But it's the other silly remarks that discredit the player for reasons beyond fitting, that are causing this debate/topic to go on longer.....

[Milan24]

I think most of the hate comes from that fact that the Heat are on a 13 game losing streak. Know matter how bad T-Mac and Kobe's past teams were, they never lost that many games in a row. Last season the Lakers were on a 7 game losing streak and what does Kobe do, takes his game to another level (something Wade doesn't seem to have) and go on a 4 game 50+ point run that gets them back on track for the playoffs.

I know Wade scored what 40ppg in the finals and all, but it is easier to do that when you have Shaq to fall back on. Even Shaq in those playoffs is alot better then the current Shaq, regardless of stats. Now Wade needs to show he can do it by himself without another superstar by his side.

As great as he has been in the past, he has yet to convince me he is of the superstar caliper. A superstar can produce over and over season after season. Time will tell if Wade is that player or not but this season is not helping that cause.

[Flash3]

I think most of the hate comes from that fact that the Heat are on a 13 game losing streak. Know matter how bad T-Mac and Kobe's past teams were, they never lost that many games in a row. Last season the Lakers were on a 7 game losing streak and what does Kobe do, takes his game to another level (something Wade doesn't seem to have) and go on a 4 game 50+ point run that gets them back on track for the playoffs.

Didn't T-Mac go on a 20 Game Losing Streak?

[Bucs80]

As for Tracy McGrady, one can't compare because he has that big man as well, yet he's never seen a light of the success shared by Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade.

I didn't know Yao Ming was one of the best big men ever. Hell even today, Most people think Dwight Howard over Yao Ming in the area of better big men.

Where as in Shaq is top 10 player of all-time. Plus the fact Yao Ming has sucked in previous playoffs. 05 series, he wasn't getting 40 Points and 20 rebounds. If he had Shaq like numbers along with McGrady, they would have won that series in 5-6 games. But the fact he didn't do much, and McGrady once again did all the work.

Last year, again. Shows that Yao isn't that great. If he was as good as old shaq. They would have went farther than the 1st round. The fact is, you need 2 Stars. Not 1 to get you farther than the 1st round. Or atleast alot of help.