Brad Miller to LA

[Smills91]

brad miller is NOT putting up borderline all star numbers. not even close. have u looked at the all star centers in the west and their numbers?

all-stars:
yao? 22/10/50%/2.3
amare? 22//958%/2.2

real borderline all stars:
kaman 17/14/47%/3.1
camby 9/14/45%/4
jefferson 20/12/47%/1.4
chandler 12/12/60%/1.1

brad miller 14/9/45%/1/3.5 assists

borderline all star numbers? that comment is reedeecewlos

Brad Miller's a 3 time all-star in those years he's put up %'s of 50/80 while scoring 15 ppg grabbing 10 rpg and sropping 4-5 apg 1 bpg.
Those were his ALL-STAR level numbers and he's currently just a tad below those numbers.

Camby has been an all-star but the rest of those players never have been.

[dockingsched]

lol, u keep your 2003/2004 definition of all-star numbers.

edit: brad miller has made two games that i know of. 02-03 and 03-04, which other did he make?

[Smills91]

lol, u keep your 2003/2004 definition of all-star numbers.

edit: brad miller has made two games that i know of. 02-03 and 03-04, which other did he make?

He made 1 with the Pacers. He was a sub in due to injury for one.

[dockingsched]

yeah, 02-03. he made his 2nd game the next yr with the kings. whats the 3rd?

[Sacramento_King]

I think Miller is only a two time all star.

I wouldn't do this deal from the Kings perspective. Miller has been rock solid for them this year. You basically move him for a late 20's pick. If they are moving Brad to the Lakers, Critt has to come back for the Kings to consider. The cap space is great but after resigning Udrih and Martin's contract kicking in you can't sign anybody anyways.

[SacKingZZZ]

On the money simon. We get better as a whole and this is one move where we actually "add" not replace.

My valuation suggests Kwame, Sasha and 08 1st is equal to Brad Miller give or take a little, perhaps some future 2nds from Sacto

Nah. I don't think the Kings will be looking to move him. He is really back to playing at his usual consistent level and is really the basis of our offense. That and he is seen as a mentor for Spencer Hawes. He said he is going to the use the next couple of seasons to teach him the "book" that Vlade taught to him. [/b]

[Bac2Basics]

Brad Miller's in a position now where the Kings aren't going to move him unless the deal is right.

If they trade him, they get something of significant value that is going to be a part of their future

If they keep him, he's there to mentor Hawes and play solid ball through the rest of his contract.

[positivetension]

Sacramento trades are the funniest and most frustrating threads all in one. Douby is untouchable, Brad Miller is almost an all-star, Kwame Brown sucks.. who cares about financial flexibility.

[realball]

I don't see why the Lakers need to do this. Yes, Bynum is out, but he'll be back before the playoffs start, which means Miller will be back or at least less useful. The Lakers aren't in a position where this is their only year of contending. They are still young and Kobe is far from the end of his prime. They don't need to screw up their cap situation for three more years just so they can replace Bynum for 8 weeks.

I think all Kings trades should be locked till the off-season. I don't think their fans or even their management knows if they are actually moving into a rebuilding process or trying to be playoff contenders. And all their players are talented but have some sort of problem (overpaid, chronically injured, or psychopathic), so it's impossible to determine their value.

[Sacramento_King]

Sacramento trades are the funniest and most frustrating threads all in one. Douby is untouchable, Brad Miller is almost an all-star, Kwame Brown sucks.. who cares about financial flexibility.

Kwame does suck. The deal just isnt very good for the Kings. Sasha and Kwame are nothing more than expirings. They still are stuck with KT and Reef. One of their top players is opting out. I think anyone is available but they need to get something back other than a late 20 pick.

[Bac2Basics]

Sacramento trades are the funniest and most frustrating threads all in one. Douby is untouchable, Brad Miller is almost an all-star, Kwame Brown sucks.. who cares about financial flexibility.

Douby isn't untouchable but he's not just a throw-in either

Brad is playing quality ball, whether it's all-star level is debatable but he's clearly worth more than just some salary dump.

Kwame Brown does suck, even Laker fans cop to this. Financial flexibility is something Kings fans concider, but not all expiring contracts are created equal. (See A. Jamison)

Kings fans want what any other teams fans want. Bibby, Artest or Miller are all guys that Sacramento would be willing to trade for the right deal, but why should Sacramento give another team what could be as good as it's 2nd best player (depending on which team/player) for less than what any other team would expect for that. For example, name me another team that would give one of it's top 3 or 4 players for the likes of the 3rd rate roster filler that Sacramento repeatedly gets offered for it's players.

[Cammo101]

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Kwame does suck. The deal just isnt very good for the Kings. Sasha and Kwame are nothing more than expirings. They still are stuck with KT and Reef. One of their top players is opting out. I think anyone is available but they need to get something back other than a late 20 pick.

If the price for Miller is more than expirings and a 1st round pick then Miller will be staying in Sacramento. No one on earth will pay more than this...except maybe Isiah.

[Sacramento_King]

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If the price for Miller is more than expirings and a 1st round pick then Miller will be staying in Sacramento. No one on earth will pay more than this...except maybe Isiah.

If that's the cost, then they move him to Orl for their expirings, possibly Reddick and a 1st. I think they would like Critt and a 1st more but I can understand the Lakers being hesitant although Miller would be great there.

[SacKingZZZ]

Sacramento trades are the funniest and most frustrating threads all in one. Douby is untouchable, Brad Miller is almost an all-star, Kwame Brown sucks.. who cares about financial flexibility.

Don't know about that but it is pretty much fact that he is producing at the level he did when he made two consecutive all-star teams.

[positivetension]

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Don't know about that but it is pretty much fact that he is producing at the level he did when he made two consecutive all-star teams.

He's putting up decent stats on a bad team.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't see why the Lakers need to do this. Yes, Bynum is out, but he'll be back before the playoffs start, which means Miller will be back or at least less useful. The Lakers aren't in a position where this is their only year of contending. They are still young and Kobe is far from the end of his prime. They don't need to screw up their cap situation for three more years just so they can replace Bynum for 8 weeks.

I think all Kings trades should be locked till the off-season. I don't think their fans or even their management knows if they are actually moving into a rebuilding process or trying to be playoff contenders. And all their players are talented but have some sort of problem (overpaid, chronically injured, or psychopathic), so it's impossible to determine their value.

OK but this is still just a MESSAGE BOARD!!! If you think the Kings are rebuilding, then make trades that fit along those lines. If not then go the opposite way. I think the Kings future and what they are going to do will be largely decided by the deadline.

Kings trades are inevitable because they seem to be the only team out there really putting their main pieces on the block, real or not?....we will find out by the deadline.

I just think on this board people really should take presidence into account. Like the late 1st round pick thing for example, I mean, on a board like this (just like unknown young talent) they hold waaaay too much value. In real life they are sold off, traded for inferior players, etc. Now if KG or Shaq was traded for a bag of chips and the 25th pick in real life then clearly, things would be different.

Not to say they don't hold any value but to a team in the middle of contention they really don't. Most often those players never play and are just let go in time if the run is prosperous. I saw Gerald Wallace walk out the door in Sac without a second thought because at the time we didn't need him. Shane Battier for Rudy Gay is another example. Sure that trade will most likely look very stupid down the road but the Rox needed vets to help TMac/Yao NOW, not 4-5 years from now.

[OGSactownballer]

Actually for a 5 he is putting up great stats ACROSS THE BOARD for a team without arguably it's top three players for the first half of the season to keep them afloat. Not too shabby.

[realball]

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OK but this is still just a MESSAGE BOARD!!! If you think the Kings are rebuilding, then make trades that fit along those lines. If not then go the opposite way. I think the Kings future and what they are going to do will be largely decided by the deadline.

Kings trades are inevitable because they seem to be the only team out there really putting their main pieces on the block, real or not?....we will find out by the deadline.

I just think on this board people really should take presidence into account. Like the late 1st round pick thing for example, I mean, on a board like this (just like unknown young talent) they hold waaaay too much value. In real life they are sold off, traded for inferior players, etc. Now if KG or Shaq was traded for a bag of chips and the 25th pick in real life then clearly, things would be different.

Not to say they don't hold any value but to a team in the middle of contention they really don't. Most often those players never play and are just let go in time if the run is prosperous. I saw Gerald Wallace walk out the door in Sac without a second thought because at the time we didn't need him. Shane Battier for Rudy Gay is another example. Sure that trade will most likely look very stupid down the road but the Rox needed vets to help TMac/Yao NOW, not 4-5 years from now.

The only problem with making trades for the Kings is that it's impossible to appease you guys, mainly because of this pseudo-rebuilding/contending phase that the Kings have going on. Which is why you can't create a trade "that fits along those lines". Everytime there is a trade suggesting rebuilding and getting worse (by getting expirings), Kings fans say no because they aren't getting enough value for their players. But fact is, these player's really don't have great value: they still aren't a perennial playoff team, and they all either have a big contract, baggage, or injury problems. It'd be better for the Kings to give them away for "less value" rather than to keep them and go nowhere.

And for the Lakers, late first round picks can mean a lot. They used one to select Farmar, who is quite possibly their best guard after Kobe on the team. And the Kings also used a late draft pick to get Kevin Martin. The Lakers are better off letting Kwame's contract expire and replacing him with a center with the pick instead of handicapping themselves with Miller's contract for the next three years.

[LPKingsFan]

The Lakers are better off letting Kwame's contract expire and replacing him with a center with the pick instead of handicapping themselves with Miller's contract for the next three years.

Not if Kwame's poor play with Bynum out starts costing them playoff position.

[warren weel im]

Not if Kwame's poor play with Bynum out starts costing them playoff position.

Well we won tonight vs Denver and we were Bynum-Ariza-Mihm-Radman-less. We will survive folks.

San Antonio and Dallas will be both interesting and ugly.

They used one to select Farmar, who is quite possibly their best guard after Kobe on the team.

I know you meant well, but there's still one more guy... D-Fish.