how low can it go: the jamaal tinsley trade value thread

[Oomph]

I've never heard a Pacers fans opinion on this....but

what do you guys generally think about a

Curry/Marbury(expiring)/Balkman

for

Tinsley/O'neal deal


substitute Balkman for Nate or Collins doesn't really matter

personally I think you guys are getting raped, but apparently not everyone realizes that Eddy Curry's mother should have swallowed him

Curry is probably the worst PF/C for the Pacers style of play. I don't like having Marbury on the team either, and Balkman is redundant with all the forwards already on their roster.

Send those Knicks guys to another team and bring the Pacers something of value (young guards, picks and/or expirings).

[Oomph]

From this thread, I can't get a handle on what people think Tinsley's value is.

Here's a Milwaukee deal I thought of if his value is in the tubes.

Bobby Simmons (1 year shorter than Tinsley)
Charlie Villanueva

for

Jamaal Tinsley
Maquis Daniels

You guys could have Charlie Bell as well for whatever if you wanted. He's been playing well since the new year.

Same here, we don't need any more forwards!

[sac89837]

How about this trade:

SAC->Artest+Bibby+K.Thomas
<-Foster+Marbury(Would be bought out)+Balkman+Lottery Protected 1st

IND->Foster+Tinsley+Harrison+Lottery Protected First
<-Bibby

NYK->Marbury+Balkman
<-Artest+K.Thomas+Harrison+Tinsley

Kings:
We push the reset button and get a rebounder in Foster, SF defender in Balkman, get rid of Kenny and a pick. That is better value then just letting the walk like we are going to.

Pacers:
Get rid of the two more problem children and get a new PG besides. This also takes two years off of Tinsley's deal.

NYK:
Get Artest without giving much and get a PG to replace Marbury. You can even resign when we waive him.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

How about this trade:

SAC->Artest+Bibby+K.Thomas
<-Foster+Marbury(Would be bought out)+Balkman+Lottery Protected 1st

IND->Foster+Tinsley+Harrison+Lottery Protected First
<-Bibby

NYK->Marbury+Balkman
<-Artest+K.Thomas+Harrison+Tinsley

Kings:
We push the reset button and get a rebounder in Foster, SF defender in Balkman, get rid of Kenny and a pick. That is better value then just letting the walk like we are going to.

Pacers:
Get rid of the two more problem children and get a new PG besides. This also takes two years off of Tinsley's deal.

NYK:
Get Artest without giving much and get a PG to replace Marbury. You can even resign when we waive him.

Pacers wouldn't trade Foster straight up for Bibby.
Pacers wouldn't trade a 1st straight up for Bibby.
So why we we trade Foster a 1st AND Tinsley and Harrison for Bibby?

Pacers laugh at this deal.

[CableKC]

I've never heard a Pacers fans opinion on this....but

what do you guys generally think about a

Curry/Marbury(expiring)/Balkman

for

Tinsley/O'neal deal

substitute Balkman for Nate or Collins doesn't really matter

personally I think you guys are getting raped, but apparently not everyone realizes that Eddy Curry's mother should have swallowed him

Marbury's contract doesn't expire until the 2009 offseason....not this upcoming season.

Unfortunately, the only part of JONeal's game that is missed is his defensive presense in the paint. Although it is limited by his injuries...it is still better then the level of defense the Curry provides. If we had a defensive PF that does nothing but rebound and block shots ( Foster only rebounds ), then I could possibly be okay with this......but given our preference to stay away from players like Marbury.....I think that the Pacers FO passes on this.

[CableKC]

Kings:
We push the reset button and get a rebounder in Foster, SF defender in Balkman, get rid of Kenny and a pick. That is better value then just letting the walk like we are going to.

I know that the Blazers did something similiar....do you think the Maloofs would buy out the vast majority of Marbury's $41 mil contract that he is owed? That seems a little bit steep just to get rid of Kenny Thomas.

Also....the Pacers aren't going to give up their 1st round pick. Bird said that he's not doing that anymore.

I would consider this ( minus the Pick ) after the draft ( so that I know if we pick up a Big Man or not to replace Foster ) and whether JONeal is healthy or not.

But if you swap out Foster for Marquis Daniels....I would consider it. Foster is one of those players that are worth more to the Pacers then they are to other teams.

Kings

Outgoing: Artest / Bibby / Kenny Thomas
Incoming: Marquis Daniels / Marbury / Balkman

Pacers

Outgoing: Marquis / Tinsley / Harrison
Incoming: Bibby

Knicks

Outgoing: Marbury / Balkman
Incoming: Artest / Kenny Thomas / Harrison / Tinsley

If the main incentive is to get a player in return that has a contract that comes off the book in 2 seasons....then Marquis "technically" has the same contract as Foster....except that Marquis has a Team option that does not need to be picked up after the 2008-2009 season as well as getting rid of Kenny Thomas....then this maybe more acceptable. As I mentioned before....Bird learned the hard way that he's not going to give up Draft picks anymore.

However, if the main incentive was for the Kings to get Foster ( a solid backup Big Man ) and the Pacers 1st round pick....then I can see why the Kings wouldn't want to do this.

[fdefore]

the kings have a solid core of wings (martin, garcia, salmons) so my guess is they would be less enthusiastic about quis while also adding balkman so diogu might have to be a sweetener. BUT on the other hand they're also getting rid of kenny's contract and moving on from the bibby/artest era -- maybe that is enough.

[bballpacen]

From this thread, I can't get a handle on what people think Tinsley's value is.

Here's a Milwaukee deal I thought of if his value is in the tubes.

Bobby Simmons (1 year shorter than Tinsley)
Charlie Villanueva

for

Jamaal Tinsley
Maquis Daniels

You guys could have Charlie Bell as well for whatever if you wanted. He's been playing well since the new year.

Initially, I like this deal, however, looking at it further, I would have to easily pass. Bobby Simmons, while one year shorter, is owed a couple Mil more than Tinsley over the course of his contract, while playing the same position as two of our promising young players. Further, CV is up for an extension at the same time as Diogu and Granger. With thinking to much about the contracts that each would be asking for, I can see that we would be easily over the cap, with out moving some of the other large contracts, which will be no cake walk.

[bballpacen]

Pacers

Outgoing: Marquis / Tinsley / Harrison
Incoming: Bibby

I think that is enough value to give up while recieving Bibby. I would certainly not add a 1st rounder, even if we were willing to in some kind of deal.