Blind Diaw Haters...

[walkingart]

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You can say Boris, with the kind of laid back and self-less attitude he has, is a waste of talent because imagine Amare with his skillsets and basketball IQ. Wow.

Wow is right. But how many players in the league go and play with the intensity and desire to win that Amare has. Not many. Hell, if Amare had the ball handling and passing skills that Diaw had, the rest of league would be playing for 2nd every season, it would be another Jordan era.

[WTFsunsFTW]

Amare + Diaw = Next Jordan


Sounds about right.

[Frank Lee]

Like it or not...Doris is a big part of our overall success.


People soured on him when he doughballed into camp after getting the 45mil icing on his cake. He has been trying to make right since.

We got him, we might as well use him and get used to it.....for if he maintains his Doris-ness nobody will want him anyway....and if he gives us more than a GD glimmer of what he is capable of...we gotta keep him...especially if Swannie Shawnie takes his game on the road.






and that's about all I gotta say about Doris

[GoDogGo]

Whew, for a second there I thought there was a chance I may have to eat my own crap for 48 hours.

I didn't think there was another reason for rooting for Boris to put up those numbers, other than potential Suns' wins, but you come along and say this.

[NapoleonII]

More Boris, less Doris.


That is all.

[Sun Scorched]

a week of playing at the level he can and is SUPPOSED to does not make up for a year and a half of slacking. the kid has cost us wins, and is a burden to our payroll right now. and if it werent for his nonshalont attitude, then i wouldnt have a huge problem with it.

Well said. Everyone needs to remember that we are paying him 9 million. The production that we have been getting out of him recently justifies that... not his playing over the last year.

[-SDU-]

people say he has a nonchalont attitude because he has a passive demeanour, but that doesnt mean he doesnt care

also, i dont know totally, but some leway must be given to a guy who excelled at C, then got replaced by amare and sent to the bench, then had his role as point forward replaced by grant hill

diaw has had to adjust to alot of variables, and it cant be easy

has he underachieved? yes, have suns fans been too harsh on him, yes?

there are faults on both sides for sure, but hopefully we are seeing the re-emergence of diaw as a factor and he can average 10 4 and 4 from here on out(of course he will have some bad games), but to win a title we need him to be a factor for us

[WTFsunsFTW]

I think the nine million dollars per year helps him cope with all that variable adjusting.

[Never Fear 33 Is Here]

has he underachieved? yes, have suns fans been too harsh on him, yes?

The only problem with this I see is that if he keeps playing well, then one could argue that Suns fans haven't been to harsh on him.

[nevetsov]

There's one thing that would cause me to tear my hair out re: Diaw.

His play has been so poor this season that he has been essentially untradeable. He hasn't played anywhere near well enough to justify his mammoth contract and consequently no one would have wanted him unless we sweetened it with something like the Atlanta pick.

Finally, he has put together a few nice games, enough to show some semblance of promise of how he can perform when given opportunity. He probably has some value right now and could be traded in the right situation. Of course, now that he's playing well, no one wants to trade him anymore!

What would piss me off is Grant returning, Boris going back to the bench and all of a sudden he reverts back to his good old 4-3-3- ways. His stock would plummet to the point where he may be untradeable again. And just like that, the 'trade Diaw' threads would re-emerge.

Too bad though, that we had a golden opportunity to offload Diaw while his stock was high, but because of one nice stretch, we fail to see the big picture and are stuck with him and his contract again..

Fingers crossed it doesn't happen!

[JustMoe]

Looking at the way Boris played during the past 1 1/2 seasons, I'd say the bashing he received from the Suns fans wasn't exactly undeserved. WTF, Sun Scorched and others brought up a very good point: Diaw earns 9 damn millions per season, and for 1 1/2 years (=13,5 million dollars) he did close to nothing that benefited his salary.

It's pretty easy to come out of the closet and mock about the people who bashed Boris now that he's finally looking better again. I'm not saying that it was necessary or fair to talk trash about Diaw the way most of us did, but we're all Suns fans, and seeing the team struggle with one guy who's awfully overpaid looking like he's not even trying to help the team, this is a pretty natural reaction. Oh...and partying topless with a bunch of ugly chicks while looking like a little girl on the court didn't exactly help his reputation, either.

People like SDU, who always kept defending Boris, have good reason to mock us now, but those who kept silent or even joined the bunch a back then shouldn't start coming up with "See, I told you so" stuff now - just my opinion.

[CroesusDeluxo]

also, i dont know totally, but some leway must be given to a guy who excelled at C, then got replaced by amare and sent to the bench, then had his role as point forward replaced by grant hill

good point

[impulsenine]

OT: CroesusDeluxo, mmm prolly not the best sig for a sports board.

also, i dont know totally, but some leway must be given to a guy who excelled at C, then got replaced by amare and sent to the bench, then had his role as point forward replaced by grant hill

Why don't we just run with calling them *all* SG except for Steve?

[GoDogGo]

[quote="JustMoe"]Looking at the way Boris played during the past 1 1/2 seasons, I'd say the bashing he received from the Suns fans wasn't exactly undeserved. WTF, Sun Scorched and others brought up a very good point: Diaw earns 9 damn millions per season, and for 1 1/2 years (=13,5 million dollars) he did close to nothing that benefited his salary.

It's pretty easy to come out of the closet and mock about the people who bashed Boris now that he's finally looking better again. I'm not saying that it was necessary or fair to talk trash about Diaw the way most of us did, but we're all Suns fans, and seeing the team struggle with one guy who's awfully overpaid looking like he's not even trying to help the team, this is a pretty natural reaction. Oh...and partying topless with a bunch of ugly chicks while looking like a little girl on the court didn't exactly help his reputation, either.

Wasn't he still getting rookie money last year?

[-SDU-]

People like SDU, who always kept defending Boris, have good reason to mock us now, but those who kept silent or even joined the bunch a back then shouldn't start coming up with "See, I told you so" stuff now - just my opinion.

i was always more tolerant and defending of diaw than most

i totally understand why people get frustrated with him, i did and do too, i just stick up for him because deep down i believe that we CAN get enough out him to be a good contributor to a title

i also believe that his contract is not his fault, he played as best he could when we needed him, then WE chose to change his role when amare came back, then WE chose to diminish his role when we signed grant hill

if this team had no amare and no hill, just like we didnt in the season where diaw was MIP, then i have NO DOUBT he would be putting up the same numbers. This theory is backed by the numbers he has put up as a starter this year also

the biggest issue is his contract, which now does look to be overpaid, but this isnt his fault. We asked him to do everything, he did it, then we paid him, then we reduced his role

BUT had we not paid him long term, then reduced his role, he may have walked the next offseason because playing with amare was "stifling" him and he could be putting up 14 5 and 5 with another team and we would hate losing him.

the front office reacted, and they took a pro active move that has proven to be incorrect, but it wasnt one that couldnt have been seen with amare coming back, but as mentioned, if they didnt sign him then, they may have lost him, so i understand the contract we offered, it just didnt work in our favour this time. Barbosas does, proving you win some you lose some

i dont blame diaw as much as others for diaws faults, i think he is the sort of guy that needs a clearly defined role to contribute, one that he is struggling in with amare and hill in our team

look what happens when he starts - thats the diaw i know he can be

IMO, when hill retires next offseason after our back to back championship, diaw will become a starter at SF or PF, nash may be gone, and we will really see diaw grow into his own at that point where he will be even better than 04-05

just my thoughts

[JustMoe]

Wasn't he still getting rookie money last year?

Uhm, I don't think so...did he? i mean, it's possible that we took the option on the fourth year of his contract and just resigned him before the start of last season. Not sure here, I thought so due to the new contract, but you may have a good point there

[Sun Scorched]

Wasn't he still getting rookie money last year?

Yes. Diaw is BYC. That is one of the reasons he would be absolutely impossible to trade. (Unless you remember my PHO-SAC-DEN that brought Artest and Camby here.... shameless? I know.)

This is the first year of Boris' 5 year, 45 million dollar contract which means that he is only worth 4.5 million in outgoing value for the Suns, but is worth the full 9 million incoming for every other team that could trade for him. With the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) this makes it virtually impossible to move him.

This is aside from the fact that he has played like he spends half of his contract at McDonalds. He is a dollar menuaire after all...

This is besides the point... when you sign someone to a lucritive contract you make more than just a legal arrangement. What happened to those days of yore when a man's word was all you needed? That 9 million dollar monstrosity was our way of saying, "Thanks for all of your hard work, you really have helped us when we needed you to step up and we have faith in you as a person that you will continue to give us this same effort game in and game out."

He hasn't. Plain and simple. That's all I have to say about that.

[BBall_Babe114]

i was always more tolerant and defending of diaw than most

i totally understand why people get frustrated with him, i did and do too, i just stick up for him because deep down i believe that we CAN get enough out him to be a good contributor to a title

i also believe that his contract is not his fault, he played as best he could when we needed him, then WE chose to change his role when amare came back, then WE chose to diminish his role when we signed grant hill

if this team had no amare and no hill, just like we didnt in the season where diaw was MIP, then i have NO DOUBT he would be putting up the same numbers. This theory is backed by the numbers he has put up as a starter this year also

the biggest issue is his contract, which now does look to be overpaid, but this isnt his fault. We asked him to do everything, he did it, then we paid him, then we reduced his role

BUT had we not paid him long term, then reduced his role, he may have walked the next offseason because playing with amare was "stifling" him and he could be putting up 14 5 and 5 with another team and we would hate losing him.

the front office reacted, and they took a pro active move that has proven to be incorrect, but it wasnt one that couldnt have been seen with amare coming back, but as mentioned, if they didnt sign him then, they may have lost him, so i understand the contract we offered, it just didnt work in our favour this time. Barbosas does, proving you win some you lose some

i dont blame diaw as much as others for diaws faults, i think he is the sort of guy that needs a clearly defined role to contribute, one that he is struggling in with amare and hill in our team

look what happens when he starts - thats the diaw i know he can be

IMO, when hill retires next offseason after our back to back championship, diaw will become a starter at SF or PF, nash may be gone, and we will really see diaw grow into his own at that point where he will be even better than 04-05

just my thoughts

You took the words out of my mouth.

The Diaw rage has to got to chill in here. I don't post in this forum as much as I used to, but every time I do come in here there's a Diaw hate post.

True, he isn't in '05-06 form. It does drive me nuts when he passes up a layup. But he's not going to be the guy that you saw hit that winning shot against Dallas in G1 of the WCF two years ago. The Suns are a different team and the scoring shifted away from Boris. With Amare back, Hill a starter and Barbosa continuing to emerge, Diaw just isn't going to get the ball as much as he used to. The amount of scoring from the 1-6 positions in the rotation makes it impossible for the 7 & 8 guys to put up numbers; all that's left are intangibles. This is the position that Boris is in now. He's had some pretty good games as of late, but that's because Hill isn't in the lineup. Once Hill comes back, Diaw's role will be reduced again. That's the way it will be until Diaw comes back into the scoring fold and that won't be until he's a regular starter again.

And PLEASE, for the love of mankind, stop barking about his contract. The contract was insurance if Amare didn't come back after '05. You never know how well a player will come back after multiple knee surgeries. And they didn't want to risk losing a player of Boris' potential at the time. Also, sports contracts are based on the conditions of the player market. There weren't many players available with his production at that time. The deal was a good deal then. But in later years, it wasn't because the market for players has changed. NOW you can arguably get a better player for that money. What's done is done and it won't be changed. So stop crying over spilled milk.

[asudevil]

i'm going to hate on him some more:

last two games averaging 4.5/3.5/5

and he's NOT being agressive anywhere. 8 shots in a total of 48 minutes in the last two games. pathetic.

and his assist to turnover ratio is NOT good either 10 assists and 7 turnovers.