Travis Diener
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PacerPerspective wrote:I agree about that assessment of Runi. He was a better passer and leader than Diener is currently, but I'd also give him the nod in the shooting department as well.
Diener goes hot and cold, Runi was more steady in my opinion.
I would generally agree here except for two thing:
1. Runi never earned the right to be a vocal leader, and he tended to show his teammates up rather than actually leading.
2. Obsessed was absolutely the right word, with the possible exception that it isn't strong enough.
I have no idea what you're talking about, and clearly, neither do you.
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As see both your points Count.
I do remember Sarunas and Harrison always having a nice chemistry though, but that doesn't matter anymore in either case seemingly.
I do remember Sarunas and Harrison always having a nice chemistry though, but that doesn't matter anymore in either case seemingly.
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"If Jack makes that shot, the game is over." - Tommy Heinsohn after Jarrett Jack missed a shot at the buzzer of a 105-105 game between the Celtics and Pacers.
"If Jack makes that shot, the game is over." - Tommy Heinsohn after Jarrett Jack missed a shot at the buzzer of a 105-105 game between the Celtics and Pacers.
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count55 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I would generally agree here except for two thing:
1. Runi never earned the right to be a vocal leader, and he tended to show his teammates up rather than actually leading.
2. Obsessed was absolutely the right word, with the possible exception that it isn't strong enough.
Really?
Hmmm I thought a mod wasn't supposed to attack a poster like this, I guess I was wrong.
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Oomph wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Really?
Hmmm I thought a mod wasn't supposed to attack a poster like this, I guess I was wrong.
It is an accurate characterization of your behavior towards Sarunas. This is not an attack. It is simply stating that, in my opinion, your fascination with Saras was on a par with dew's fascination with McLeod. The only difference was that it was somewhat explainable due to Saras' accomplishments overseas.
I regret if you feel attacked, but that was not the point. The concept of cheering for the player at the expense of the team, which is what I believe you did with Saras and dew did with McLeod, is completely foreign to me. Fanboy-ism is, to me, an form of obsession.
(Of course, you could accurately argue that every regular on this board carries some form of obsession for the Pacers or another. Why else would people put this kind of effort into a team currently wallowing in mediocrity?)
I have no idea what you're talking about, and clearly, neither do you.
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count55 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
It is an accurate characterization of your behavior towards Sarunas. This is not an attack. It is simply stating that, in my opinion, your fascination with Saras was on a par with dew's fascination with McLeod. The only difference was that it was somewhat explainable due to Saras' accomplishments overseas.
I regret if you feel attacked, but that was not the point. The concept of cheering for the player at the expense of the team, which is what I believe you did with Saras and dew did with McLeod, is completely foreign to me. Fanboy-ism is, to me, an form of obsession.
(Of course, you could accurately argue that every regular on this board carries some form of obsession for the Pacers or another. Why else would people put this kind of effort into a team currently wallowing in mediocrity?)
You are right about us all being obsessed with basketball in general and us Pacers fans with the Pacers. And I think every fan has his own favourite(s), and will defend him to an extent.
The strange thing is I didn't even know Jasikevicius before he signed with the Pacers. I don't follow Euro ball so I hadn't heard about his accomplishments until Bird showed interest in the guy. At that point I also became interested in the guy and I believed he would bring his winners mentality and clutch play to Indiana.
That's the weird thing, Sarunas had a lot of talents but unfortunatley his positive points were overshadowed by the negative ones. I thought that if we could somehow deal with his shortcoming he would become the PG Bird envisioned in him.
And now to the difference between Dew and me. I was already a big Pacers fan before Jasikevicius joined the team, going back to the time Rik Smits was drafted 20 years ago. Since Sarunas left I stayed a fan of the Pacers, and although I don't like all the players currently on our roster I support the team in every way I can. I even came over from The Netherlands at the beginning of December to see our team playing live for the first time (and what a great experience it was!).
I respect your opinion count55 and I hope you understand why I don't agree with the things bballpacen said.
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I wouldn't say Sarunas is much, if any better than Diener. And thats not me being a fanboy of him. All Sarunas has over him is passing and height. Plus, Diener is probably the better shooter. Right now his % isn't great, but he could easily be shooting 40-42% out there.ahartleyvu wrote:At least Sarunas was appealing, and had a background of being good and winning championships.
Diener is a skinny white kid or "average joe". McCleod was nothing special either.
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Don't blame Travis directly... we were giving up 103ppg before he got his start, so let's not go down that road.
We're gonna have to outscore teams, and Travis is probably the best PG we have to do that. Our problem is we don't have anyone behind Diener who can really play PG. I would love to get Diener's older brother in Luke Ridnour and continue to play this breakneck, Phoenix-style game. We may not go far into the playoffs, but it's fun to watch, and it'll keep things interesting until the summer where we decide what direction we're going in for the long haul.
Phoenix lost the Minny this year. We've lost to teams who have guys that get hot. We should be around 110ppg too, but like I said before, we don't have a Barbosa who can come in and do some of the things that Nash does. We need another true PG, so our offense doesn't slow down at all when Diener's not on the floor. Where's Earl Boykins when you need him (I heard he's supposed to be back in the L soon, though).
Diener has played above and beyond expectations thus far, and our bench has been what's really hurt us during this dismal 20-gm stretch.
We're gonna have to outscore teams, and Travis is probably the best PG we have to do that. Our problem is we don't have anyone behind Diener who can really play PG. I would love to get Diener's older brother in Luke Ridnour and continue to play this breakneck, Phoenix-style game. We may not go far into the playoffs, but it's fun to watch, and it'll keep things interesting until the summer where we decide what direction we're going in for the long haul.
Phoenix lost the Minny this year. We've lost to teams who have guys that get hot. We should be around 110ppg too, but like I said before, we don't have a Barbosa who can come in and do some of the things that Nash does. We need another true PG, so our offense doesn't slow down at all when Diener's not on the floor. Where's Earl Boykins when you need him (I heard he's supposed to be back in the L soon, though).
Diener has played above and beyond expectations thus far, and our bench has been what's really hurt us during this dismal 20-gm stretch.
