Payton rumor

[old rem]

I'd like a guy that can be backup 2-4 years for some continuity. BD could move on at the end of the season so I don't see GP as all that valuable to us.

If we are doing this "for Gary" sign him to 10 day contracts and do a nice promoted sendoff.

I see Lue, Stoudemire, Lowry, Aroyo, Blake, JJack, ...just so many players that could be a 2-3 year addition, ...yeah a couple are 1 year guys but sign & trades happen.

Who helps us most is the question here.

At this point...whatever Payton WAS is no longer relevant. What he IS is what matters...and he faded quite a lot. He's been sitting out awhile...gathering rust+dust. At best he's a patch who THINKS he's much more.

[old rem]

This roster of ours only needs a vet big PG...There's plenty of talent up front in O'Bierovic, Wright and Harrington...No need for a 6'8 PF with zero shooting skillzzzz...

I'd be pleased if we obtained a PF who brought POWER...along with RBDs and D. I don't see a need for shooters. An efficient scorer? Hell Yeah.

Who plays bigger...A Bargnani or C Barkley in his prime? It's about the size of the fight in the dog-not the size of the dog in the fight. I'd think Rodman at his best could have helped our team. How many championships weas he a part of?

[Sid the Squid]

Oh rem...you love your short-dumb-unathletic NCAA PF's...Diogu or that Z guy from Nevada...If anybody even mention height is important, you always throw out the name Charles Barkley...When you're 130 years old and some punk kid tells you it's about size at the 4..You will still be throwing out Sir Charles.."I remember the day",,"back when we used peach baskets."

[FNQ]

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At this point...whatever Payton WAS is no longer relevant. What he IS is what matters...and he faded quite a lot. He's been sitting out awhile...gathering rust+dust. At best he's a patch who THINKS he's much more.

He thinks he's much more? What are you basing this off of? Personal experience? Or just what you personally think he would say? I wonder how bad a person Larry Bird and Reggie Miller are... the bottom of hell is reserved for trash talkers

GP's a trash talker on the court and famous for it, but hes been an excellent teammate... when he made it to Nor-Cal games he loved finding the PGs and giving them tips.. people assuming they know the guy's personality based on watching him on the court is hilarious.

Then he was asked to pretend to play PG while Wade did all the ballhandling, or he'd have to debate giving the ball to Jason Kapono or James Posey.. For either one you basically have to create the shot for them. I'm amazed he got any of the assists he did in MIA..

[GswStorm3]

If Payton can't play for a championship contender he shouldn't come back at all.

[old rem]

Well..maybe after gettng dumped in favor of Smush-GP has a better idea of what he still has. If his minutes and talent now are abiut on a par with THud...I rather doubt he talks much trash.

Diogu...POB...B Wright....3 top 10's=junk? Is Mullin the dummy? How does Ike go from a 23 ppg All America to to dumb to bwe better than the Mav's castoffs? POB got noticed for leading an upset over Pitt..dominating Aaron Gray....very clutch....devolved into < Gray,into less than nothing. B Wright was in some opinions a top 5. He was a starter for NC. He led the whole NCAA in FG%.....can't play as well as a D league call up?

Lasme was the only NCAA player to have 4 triple doubles in any recent season. Junk.

What's up? Huh? Is it Quaaludes in the Gatorade? Are we so cursed we seek out THE overrated dud EVERY YEAR? Is our staff less able to polish skills than the AVERAGE high school coach? Fine. Then we may as well give up on drafting and just see who else gets cut or bought out.

Is Ike too short? Well.....POB is 7 ft...also a chronic DNP. Wright is 6-10....DNP....too dumb/short/whatever.

Belli is not even a big. He could play on Italy's team....I guess he's a notch less than a good D league guy. Seems it's not only big men.

Ike..POB...Belli...Wright...Lasme...Kosta....what DO they all have in common? What sets this group apart?

They were all Mullin draft picks. Too Tall-short-thin-dumb-young-whatever,that's nonsense. If instead of EACH of those guys...we'd drafted the second choice....same result.

You can figure out the psychology in this thing.....Does Nellie have a secret impulse to handicap himself with a team of salvaged players,undersize players,so he looks good if he has just moderate success? Is Nellie subconciously dissing Mullin....like Mully drafts just garbage time scrubs? Is someone too inept/lazy or ? to adapt a well regarded college or Euro player to the NBA?

Croshere has enough potential. Pietrus is smart enough. Mbenga has enough skills. Watson has enough experience. THud has enough talent....where is the bar set?

Next june.....what do we look for? Should we draft a guy NOBODY would take-and tell Nellie that he's as "underdog" as a D leaguer?

[old rem]

Payton HAS indicated he WANTS to PLAY on a top contender. The top contenders don't seem to feel he'd add anything. Even the borderline contenders have not pursued him with much zeal. We have little reason -now- to think GP has much more than the other #3 PG's we've had.....but he wants to PLAY on a team better than a 7-8 seed......

[Mylie10]

Well..maybe after gettng dumped in favor of Smush-GP has a better idea of what he still has. If his minutes and talent now are abiut on a par with THud...I rather doubt he talks much trash.

Diogu...POB...B Wright....3 top 10's=junk? Is Mullin the dummy? How does Ike go from a 23 ppg All America to to dumb to bwe better than the Mav's castoffs? POB got noticed for leading an upset over Pitt..dominating Aaron Gray....very clutch....devolved into < Gray,into less than nothing. B Wright was in some opinions a top 5. He was a starter for NC. He led the whole NCAA in FG%.....can't play as well as a D league call up?

Lasme was the only NCAA player to have 4 triple doubles in any recent season. Junk.

What's up? Huh? Is it Quaaludes in the Gatorade? Are we so cursed we seek out THE overrated dud EVERY YEAR? Is our staff less able to polish skills than the AVERAGE high school coach? Fine. Then we may as well give up on drafting and just see who else gets cut or bought out.

Is Ike too short? Well.....POB is 7 ft...also a chronic DNP. Wright is 6-10....DNP....too dumb/short/whatever.

Belli is not even a big. He could play on Italy's team....I guess he's a notch less than a good D league guy. Seems it's not only big men.

Ike..POB...Belli...Wright...Lasme...Kosta....what DO they all have in common? What sets this group apart?

They were all Mullin draft picks. Too Tall-short-thin-dumb-young-whatever,that's nonsense. If instead of EACH of those guys...we'd drafted the second choice....same result.

You can figure out the psychology in this thing.....Does Nellie have a secret impulse to handicap himself with a team of salvaged players,undersize players,so he looks good if he has just moderate success? Is Nellie subconciously dissing Mullin....like Mully drafts just garbage time scrubs? Is someone too inept/lazy or ? to adapt a well regarded college or Euro player to the NBA?

Croshere has enough potential. Pietrus is smart enough. Mbenga has enough skills. Watson has enough experience. THud has enough talent....where is the bar set?

Next june.....what do we look for? Should we draft a guy NOBODY would take-and tell Nellie that he's as "underdog" as a D leaguer?

I feel your pain Rem.

I think it's as simple as; Nellie's at the end of his line and he doesn't want to take the time or effort to teach and or take his lumps.

He's looking to get lucky and last years late run infused him with the possibility that he's a couple of guys away from going far in the playoffs.

It's a really fine line and frustrating sometimes, and toher times I'm like, "I see where he's coming from."

I definitely would have given a more consistant run to some of the youngsters early in the year. We lost those games anyhow, and by now some of these kids will have made the transition into NBA player.

[Twinkie defense]

Ike..POB...Belli...Wright...Lasme...Kosta....what DO they all have in common? What sets this group apart?

"Which one of these is not like the other... "

One commonality they share (except for Belinelli) is they are all young big men, selected in the parts of the draft where it is difficult to find good big men.

I really like the Gary Payton of old, but tend to believe he doesn't have a lot left to contribute in the NBA. And he's not even in good shape! Believe it or not, the Warriors may be better off keeping CJ Watson.

Some bad news for anyone thinking the Warriors should get Cassell:

IN A wide-ranging interview touching on the future Clippers status of Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and Sam Cassell, he made it clear he has no interest finishing this season with a lottery pick, and expects the Clippers to still be successful despite a 12-25 start.

"I think we can absolutely win this year," he said. "If we could bring in one quality player in a trade, it could change the whole chemistry of the team."

The Clippers' future appears bright if Brand and ShaunLivingston recover fully from injuries, some suggesting it might be best now to get rid of a veteran such as Cassell at the trading deadline, and get younger.

"I want to win and I'm more interested in winning than the lottery," Sterling said. "Our fans are entitled to see our players busting their butts to win. If Sam Cassell or anybody else can help us, whether it's for a month, a year or five years, I want them to help us."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... nba-clippe

David Lee is one of the few assets the Knicks are determined to keep. Yeah, they suck and are deep into the luxury tax. But Lee makes less than $1 million... he's the solution, not the answer to that problem. And anyway, the Knicks don't seem to blink at the tax... quite the opposite, it seems, given that they took on more bad salary in the Zach Randolph trade.

[FNQ]

Payton HAS indicated he WANTS to PLAY on a top contender. The top contenders don't seem to feel he'd add anything. Even the borderline contenders have not pursued him with much zeal. We have little reason -now- to think GP has much more than the other #3 PG's we've had.....but he wants to PLAY on a team better than a 7-8 seed......

No he hasn't... Payton declined to sign with the Heat this offseason, and they looked at other options... there was never a mutual interest there. As for other contenders, Payton has only had talks with anyone, and he is figuring the best fit.

This wild speculation you create about Payton is ridiculous.

[Golden State]

Lets be logical.

1. BD is the point and the next guy gets what is left. Is GP really up for BD's left overs or is that situation difficult on both players?

2. Is GP or a younger PG desirable? A younger PG that comes with a 2-3 yr contract intact to give us some continuity the next 2 years?

[Golden State]

S M A R T

Did Smart purposely write Barnes out with that double entry knowing Nellie would go mor to the bench with both MP & Barnes out? And is Nellie so in a rut it almost did not change a thing?

Did anyone else like Kosta's quickness as a 7' player?

[FNQ]

Lets be logical.

1. BD is the point and the next guy gets what is left. Is GP really up for BD's left overs or is that situation difficult on both players?

2. Is GP or a younger PG desirable? A younger PG that comes with a 2-3 yr contract intact to give us some continuity the next 2 years?

CJ's going to be for 2 years? A younger PG... please... everyone in the FO wants to go as far as possible this year, and heaven forbid we have a scoring PG who didn't really chuck mentoring Monta instead of Baron...

We have our younger PG... he's the future.

[GSWhoopfan]

This roster of ours only needs a vet big PG...There's plenty of talent up front in O'Bierovic, Wright and Harrington...No need for a 6'8 PF with zero shooting skillzzzz...

funny what research can do...you defintely are on the right track for player projections. first you say he sucks and now you say hes talented.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=743837

[Sid the Squid]

Are you talking about Perovic? I don't think he's talented..I was just using Hap's catch phrase...O'Bryant and Biedrins are my guys...Those two guys are loaded with talent..Don't know if POB will ever come close to reaching his potential..He sure has stumbled out of the gate, then Nellie pushed back down to the ground a few times...We will see..

Perovic sure looked good vs Millwaukee..What do you want me to lie and be an agenda boy like you? No thanks..I change my opinion all the time on individual players...If Perovic continues to show potential, I'll see it...Right now off what Ive seen overall in the D league and his few NBA minutes, I got to go with no talent stiff who had a good game

[GSWhoopfan]

Perovic sure looked good vs Millwaukee..What do you want me to lie and be an agenda boy like you? No thanks..I change my opinion all the time on individual players...If Perovic continues to show potential, I'll see it...Right now off what Ive seen overall in the D league and his few NBA minutes, I got to go with no talent stiff who had a good game

damn, i must have hit a soft spot...name calling...

hes a no talent stiff, yet we need Gary Payton....hmmm. got it.

agenda boy

[Sid the Squid]

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damn, i must have hit a soft spot...name calling...

hes a no talent stiff, yet we need Gary Payton....hmmm. got it.

agenda boy

Ya I really got out of line with you on that insult

Gary Payton as a coach? Yes we need him? As a player? He's washed up, but I'd take him over another scrub small PG...Please since you're into looking up my old posts..find the one where I said "we need Gary Payton the player..If you don't..Then I guess we're done here once again, with me once again on the correct side of things.

[GSWhoopfan]

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Ya I really got out of line with you on that insult

Gary Payton as a coach? Yes we need him? As a player? He's washed up, but I'd take him over another scrub small PG...Please since you're into looking up my old posts..find the one where I said "we need Gary Payton the player..If you don't..Then I guess we're done here once again, with me once again on the correct side of things.

im sorry. you are the greatest. please dont get defensive on me.

Gary Payton sure had a good influnce on Jason Williams.

edit: i think its funny how some believe GP has value as a mentor. im sure Pat Riley would have seen this, but yet he chose to keep Chris Quinn and sign Smush.

in the reality of things...im not trying to turn this into a beef. im sure posters dont give a ish about what we are saying.

[FNQ]

What 30 yr old PG needs a mentor? J-Will has been passed like a doobie from franchise to franchise, teams thinking he can contribute more than he can... he flat out doesn't listen... do you think the Heat wanted him to be their starting PG this season? A failed signing of Mo Williams says it all..

But was that to replace Payton? Payton -BAILED-. People talk like they know... don't know ... Payton was ready to give up the game the entire offseason, to think someone like GP wouldn't get an offer while Hudson would - you're kidding me.

Chose to get Smush... thats classic. Like there were a plethora of points left in free agency

GP was out of Miami the instant they tried to ink Mo... dont care what his age is, you let a HoFer like Payton know your intentions before the blindside.

[Sleepy51]

Payton probably won't play for vet minimum . . . which means Cohan isn't ging to sign him without the league picking up half the tab.