PC Board Fantasy Draft-Judging Over...Congrats Myth-Breaker!

[Myth_Breaker]

Myth

This is a league/draft based on 07-08 season. You cant take an 06 Hienrich anymore than I can a 72 Wilt, 85 Bird or 91 MJ. Hienrich is having a bad yr. Just like signing a FA that has a bad yr or tradeing for a player past his prime you have to play with who you have not with who he used to be.

Warspite, I don't claim property of 2006 Hinrich: otherwise I would make him my starter, not backup. However, unlike in your example, Kirk IS in his prime, so it's worth to mention high probability of him reedeming himself after moving to properly constructed team with great post presence, what always makes PGs life easier.

[Myth_Breaker]

give the guy a break. he did make sense.

The criticism he received from everyone posting about it except you does not confirm that.

duncan is getting a bit older (he is the best pf in the league still but.) and his other options really weren't that great. to where it can be a "conspiracy" type of thing like you guys are making it out to be.

Funny, it is you who used first the word "conspiracy". Do you know something we don't know?

[Kosta]

Oh wow, I forgot to post a write-up before Saturday night and I just got back. I see that 2 judges have cast their votes already. I think I'm just going to do a less than thorough breakdown of my match-up before any more votes come in.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

I know a Michigan guy with the Pistons playing a team with LBJ isnt going to get a fair shot from a ohio resident with LBJ in his name/sig but....

Bibby(who isnt even starting if you read the thread) and Manu better than Martin and Felton?? LBJ playing PG and the teams best rebounder to take over and dominate?? Is he selling concessions before the game, singing the national anthem and performing at halftime as well?? So we have LBJ outscoring Martin(25ppg), outrebounding Camby (14rebpg) and out ast Felton(7apg). Might as well rename him Oscar Robertson... Oh wait Ill bet you think LBJ is a better player.

Quick question

LBJ and his highschool mates vs 92 dream team. Can the dream team win a game or will they be swept in 4??

Just what I thought....


Theres a solid case to be made for either team and alot of info given by both GMs who took alot time and effort. if you dont even take 5mins to read the thread and instead pick teams based on how many players from your fav team (Cavs) are on the rosters disgusts me. Adding on that you dont think Tim Duncan is a 1st option quite frankly leaves me speechless... I understand that the Cavs havent had a legit inside player in almost 20yrs (so you dont believe in there validity nor understand that type of play) but that doesnt mean none of the other teams do or should.

OK, first off, I didn't vote for the Sonics, who have Z.

And I specifically said in my paragraph that the Pistons had the better post, and the Wizards had the better backcourt. Bibby plays PG, so Lebron doesn't have to play PG, I don't know what you're talking about. If you watched the Cavs vs. the Pistons last year, you would know how dominant Lebron was. When Lebron is on fire, there's no stopping him. You guys have pretty even teams, but the Wiz have homecourt and Lebron can take over a game at will.

The whole TD thing - OK, let's put it to rest. TD vs. Yao is even, the rest of the two teams are not IMO, the Knicks have the better team IMO. End of story.

[tkb]

New Orleans Hornets vs Los Angeles Lakers

I like both teams, but I think this match up comes down to how the stars perform. Dirk is going to have a big series against the Hornets, but the Hornets have good defensive answers for him in Nocioni and Posey. Kobe is also going to have a good series, but again, the Lakers have good defensive options in Artest and Iguodala. I'm more confident in Kobe having a huge series than Dirk, so I give the edge slightly to the Hornets there. I also think Billups is going to be very key here, and one of the deciding factors if not the deciding factor.

The Hornets are deeper IMO, and they have big advantages when it comes to outside shooting (save for Dirk), and their top 2 players are very proven in the playoffs. I do think the versatility of the Hornets will take this one, though again, I'm really not a big fan of Randolph as a fit on this team, though his rebounding is nice. If Randolph buys into a role and plays to that, the Hornets shouldn't be worried too much, but it's still a factor.

Vote: New Orleans Hornets

[tkb]

Philadelphia 76ers vs New York Knicks

This is a great match up. Both teams are rock solid overall. These two teams might be the 2 best teams left IMO, so it's unfortunate that they face each other so early in the competition. I'd love for this series to have been the final series.

The Sixers have excellent post play (and the best player in the series in Duncan), terrific perimeter defense and a couple decent shooters. I'm not a fan of Jamaal Tinsley, and I like Hinrich (when he plays good that is) a lot better.

The Knicks have terrific balance. I love their front court, though the Sixers have an even better one. They also have a terrific back court and good depth.

I think the Knicks have this one, though voting against Duncan is really, really tough. I just can't go against the Knicks who I feel have an extremely well built and balanced team.

Vote: New York Knicks (in 7)

[tkb]

Houston Rockets vs Seattle Sonics

I think the Sonics have very good balance in their starting lineup, but I don't think their bench is very good (which is basically Turkoglu and Collison IMO) which could be an issue.

I don't love the bench the Rockets have either, but at least they a couple of nice players there in Lewis, Outlaw, Cassell and Haslem so I give the Rockets an edge on depth.

I think the Sonics have a strong starting lineup, but the Rockets aren't that far off so I do think this sort of comes down to depth, and the Rockets have better depth.

Vote: Houston Rockets.

[tkb]

Detroit Pistons vs Washington Wizards

This matchup comes down to pace IMO. Wizards have a better back court, while the Pistons have a better front line.

The Pistons will KILL the Wizards on the glass, and I think that is a big key in this series as that will help determine the pace to the Pistons advantage (can't run if you don't have the ball).

LeBron is the best player in the series (slightly over KG), but even he can't make up for the difference when it comes to front lines and rebounding.

Vote: Detroit Pistons

[Kosta]

SONICS

PG-Deron/Rafer Alston/Delfino
SG-V.C/Hedo/Delfino
SF-Hill/Marvin/Hedo
PF-Brand/Collison/Maxiell
C-Ilgauskas/Collison/Etan Thomas

ROCKETS

PG-Harris/Cassell
SG-Wade/McCants
SF-Deng/Lewis/Outlaw
PF-O'neal/Haslem
C-Gasol/Bargnani/Perkins

The Sonics have home court in this series.

The Rockets line-up, what jumps out at you is the front line and of course D-Wade. Now these are the guys that I'll have to find a way to contain if I want to win the series. I think I have the players who can do just that, up front I believe with Brand and Z, I have to bigs who can go pound for pound next to J.O and Gasol, if anything I believe I have two guys who mesh a little better together with their abilities to mix it up inside/outside. The Rockets front line is more perimeter oriented, Gasol is a capable post player, but he tends to settle for a lot of jumpers. J.O is an enigma, you don't really know what to expect, for the most part you can expect him to play soft on offense and settle for jumpers most of the game. I'm not worried about them too much offensively even with Wade feeding them the ball, I believe I have guys who can play both of them straight up most of the time.

Wade, we all know about his playoff performances and we all know how dominant he can be, but we also all know that this was over 2 years ago and the current Wade isn't exactly tearing it up, in fact IIRC he leads the league in turnovers. His defense hasn't been up to par this season, at all. I believe that this is where I can hit the Rockets and Wade where it hurts. I'm going to make Wade work on the defensive end, in fact I'm going to attack him and set up mismatches a lot of the times down the floor, I'm going to wear him out and make him use a lot of his legs on that end. Whether his assignment is Carter, Deron, Hill, Turkoglu, I'm going to go at him and I'm going to go at him hard. If Wade wants to beat me, he's going to have to not only do it offensively but he's going to have to buck up on D.

Devin Harris is considered one of the better defensive point in the league? It doesn't matter, Deron Williams will still have his way with him, I know Devin has the speed to stay in front of him, but Devin better get around those Brand picks, because it's pick and roll all day with Brand. His ability to knock down shots will have Devin playing him close and I don't care how quick Devin is, Deron will still get past him.

Luol Deng, his defense is overrated, that's not to say he's not good, but he's not that good, he's no all NBA defender. His offensive game consists of the mid-range jumper and slashing to the rim. Offensively I believe I'll be able to contain him and match his production with Grant Hill.

My main game is still centered around Deron and Brand, inside/outside, with Vince being able to take over when needed too. From a defensive standpoint, I don't think the Rockets can stop me from what I want to do, J.O and Gasol better be ready to run out and contest the perimeter with Brand and Z both able to knock those 15-17 footers down. I'm going to take them out of the paint and open up space down there for Deron/Vince. They're great shot blockers, but I'm going to try to negate that to an extent by pulling them out.

Rockets bench, I believe this is where I have a clear advantage, you're talking about a lot of young guys that will be asked to come in and provide minutes, mainly McCants as the first 2 off the bench and Bargnani as the main back-up C. Are these guys you can really count on in a tight playoff series? I don't know. Then you have Cassell at back-up point, no problem there, he's still a solid vet and can still come in and score points for you, but he's not a guy who can give you more than 15 minutes a game now. So Devin Harris will be getting a lot of burn at that spot. Udonis Haslem, another solid vet, can't go wrong there, he'll give them a lot of valuable minutes at the 4/5, he has the experience. I won't try to down play his contributions. Perkins/Outlaw, don't expect them to see the floor a lot, but those are two more guys that can't be relied IMO, not in a playoff series. I think Collison/Turkoglu vs Bargnani/MacCants will be huge in the battle of second units.

When it comes down to it, it's what the judges decide, how they believe the match-ups favor one another. I think both teams are very evenly matched, so it could go either way. Good luck to TMAC, I won't be mad if you're the guy who takes me out.

[Kosta]

Are there still 5 judges or is down to 4 now?

[TMACFORMVP]

Well 5 judges are needed just in case there's a tie.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

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You are one hilarious guy.
One is a Top 15 player ever, the other..isn't.
One elevates his game in the playoffs...the other guy chokes.

Geez... Will you let it go? This isn't even your series.

[dunkonu21]

Lakers Vs. Hornets

PG: Obviously Chauncey is the best starter, Ford is going to have a very hard time trying to guard Chauncey and for that matter everyone on the Lakers bench will struggle against the strength of Chauncey. New Orleans get minus a couple points for having Marbury in my book, he can only hurt the team. His career is about over and you coulda skipped the round where you drafted him and have a better team. Delonte Vs. Lowry is a very even match-up, both guys are jitter bugs and can do the little things. Watson Vs. Knight is the guys who special in one catagory and are meh in everything else, Knight is a distributer, Watson is a scorer, not a fan of either to be honest. Hornets dominate this catagory, Chauncey is a BEAST

SG: If I was the Lakers I'd start RIP instead of Iggy. Thankful, Lakers was thinking the same thing, Iggy would get dominated by Kobe. RIP is a very lanky guy, but he is stronger than he looks. The defense on kobe should be adequate, but Kobe is far better than anyone at his position, so that should tell you who's favor I'll be in. Iggy of the bench is pretty solid, he'd provide a lot of talent and energy, I really like that. If it were anyone besides Kobe, I'd prolly pick Lakers SGs, but Kobe is too dang good and I'm never ever gonna bet against him. Advantage: Hornets.


SF: Nocioni is one of the most improved players thus far into the season, he has been impressive. Artest is a warrior in the regular season, but I wouldn't want him in the playoffs if I were coaching. I respect Artest's game, but costly mental errors in cruch time are his forte. I think this is a very close battle of less than All-Star type talent. I'll give it a tie.

PF: Dirk is one of my favorite players, Randolph is one of my least favorite players. Wilcox is a beast, but Milsap is very sneaky. Joe Smith is an absolute stud in my book, one of the classiest and smartest players in the NBA. Lakers have a very impressive PF crew, highlighted by one of the best in the game. Lakers have a huge edge at this position, Randolph is gonna get torn apart.

C: Chandler is truly one of my favorite players, I really like what the Lakers have put together in the post, Dirk and Chandler is pretty nasty. Kaman and Oden is pretty disgusting in it's own respect. Kaman has been a savior for the injury torn Clippers, I am very impressed with his skill set and attitude this season. Kaman had a year like this the first year Cassell was a Clip, then he disappeared last year. Due to that inconsistency I have no faith in picking the Hornets 5 spot. Pryzbilla is a pretty good player, I think he could give Oden problems (he is a rookie afterall). I'll give a decent sized edge to the Lakers at Center.


RIP, Chandler and Dirk is pretty solid I like the core. There is no way that the Lakers can guard either the 1 or 2 of the Hornets. I am a huge fan of low post players, but I have to give the two most clutch players in the league the edge. Hornets advance in 7.


Detroit Vs. Washington

Manu Vs. Felton is a strange match-up. Manu might get exposed guarding the ultra quick Felton, but Manu usually is a great defender, so I'll give him the benefit. Both will be good playmakers at the Point Guard position. Having James at the SG is very strange, he is going to end up shooting a very poor percentage in this series. K-Mart is turning into a premier scorer really quick in this league. Intangables aside, I think Martin can equal James' scoring out-put in this series, which is a huge win for the Pistons. G-Wall is one of my favorite players, but he'll have his hands full on D against Mike Miller who should use his endless motor to bug him. Gerald should be able to take advantage of the unathletic Miller on the offensive side though, he might go off. KG has said many times that Sheed and McDyess(nuggets days) were his toughest match-ups (I'm a wolves fans, just trust me). Sheed is going to give KG a lot of trouble, more so than anyone else in the league, this is a great match-up for the Wiz (not saying sheed will win it, just will minimize damage). Haywood is a great post defender so him and Sheed could actually give Sheed a rest in extreme cases, but in general Sheed should stick KG. Otherwise the Camby should be able to score a lot more than Haywood, while they both play good D. Barbosa is a great 6th man and should provide some scoring. Crawford will also provide some good offense to the Pistons. Garcia could help gaurd Bron/G-Wall, but won't be a huge factor. Mays is garbo, Bogut is not ready for playoff bball and will be a deer in headlights. Bibby, Daniels are both great leaders and will provide smart decisions off the bench. Balkman is a load to deal with off the bench. Diaw is very talented and I'm a pretty big fan of his, but if he's not involved he starts to get uninterested, which is what would prolly happen in this series. Craig Smith could give very good offense, but his defense makes him a liability in playoff bball. Overall I think the Benches are pretty even. I'll take the Wizards, because G-Wall and Lebron are going to provide some intense muscle to this team that Detroit will not be able to handle.




Sorry guys I'll get the next two match-ups up soon...I'm kinda busy right now...but for sure will get them up by Tuesday Morning

[NO-KG-AI]

Chris Kaman is getting almost no love.

Do people realize he is averaging 17.4/13.8/1.9 an 3.1 blocks? He's only at 47%, but he hits about 75% of his FT's, and he's getting a lot of defensive attention.....

[Warspite]

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OK, first off, I didn't vote for the Sonics, who have Z.

And I specifically said in my paragraph that the Pistons had the better post, and the Wizards had the better backcourt. Bibby plays PG, so Lebron doesn't have to play PG, I don't know what you're talking about. If you watched the Cavs vs. the Pistons last year, you would know how dominant Lebron was. When Lebron is on fire, there's no stopping him. You guys have pretty even teams, but the Wiz have homecourt and Lebron can take over a game at will.

The whole TD thing - OK, let's put it to rest. TD vs. Yao is even, the rest of the two teams are not IMO, the Knicks have the better team IMO. End of story.

Reading is fundemental....

My whole argument is that you didnt read the posts of the GMs and you dont know how the teams are going to play so your post is based on your bias not on the GMs arguments. Your posts read of a 12-14yr old who started watching basketball during last yrs Finals. You spent about 2 mins on 4 matchups after the GMs spent hours. "Lebron can take over a game at will" So what happened during the NBA Finals? Did he decide not to play hard?? Every team in the EC is a better defensive team than any team LBJ has ever faced. My team might very well be a better defensive team than LBJ saw in the NBA Finals last yr. it certainly has more offensive talent. What you type about LBJ simply makes you too bias to be a judge IMHO.

PG LBJ vs Felton
SG Manu vs Martin
SF Wallace vs Miller
PF Sheed vs KG
C Haywood vs Camby

Wiz on defense
Manu on Felton
Wallace on Martin
LBJ on Miller
Sheed on KG
Haywood on Camby

The cross matching (not guarding the player that guards you) leads to easy fast breaks to the team that rebounds better. The Wiz are an unconventional team with PG posting up and PF shooting 3s causeing confussion and missed assingments. The Wiz with no true PG being trapped and pressed.

Theres just so many variables and so many interesting twist and turns. Its just sad to read that the best you can come up with is "LBJ dominates" Especialy when LBJ dominance is based on Sheeds meltdown and now they are teammates.

[dunkonu21]

Chris Kaman is getting almost no love.

Do people realize he is averaging 17.4/13.8/1.9 an 3.1 blocks? He's only at 47%, but he hits about 75% of his FT's, and he's getting a lot of defensive attention.....

I said I was very impressed with his skill set...but a few good months does not equal you a playoff performance...Tyson Chandler is a rebounding beast and that's not something that he will lose in the big games...Kaman's production should be considered inconsistent and I don't know how you could say otherwise...I'm not knocking the guy, I'd just like to see him put two good seasons in a row together before I'm picking him over beasts like Chandler...

[NO-KG-AI]

I know this won't swing any opinions about Randolph, because he is hated a lot, but he's only giving his opponents a PER of 18.5 at PF, and only a 15.9 at C.

He's by no means a great defender, but he's not getting torched like everyone seems to think, and he's playing for the horrid knicks, if he played for a great defensive line-up like mine, he won't look so bad defensively.

[Kosta]

Houston Rockets vs Seattle Sonics

I think the Sonics have very good balance in their starting lineup, but I don't think their bench is very good (which is basically Turkoglu and Collison IMO) which could be an issue.

I don't love the bench the Rockets have either, but at least they a couple of nice players there in Lewis, Outlaw, Cassell and Haslem so I give the Rockets an edge on depth.

I think the Sonics have a strong starting lineup, but the Rockets aren't that far off so I do think this sort of comes down to depth, and the Rockets have better depth.

Vote: Houston Rockets.

I'd just like to defend my bench here, if we're looking at it player vs player for both benches, I'm not sure how you can say Houston has more depth.

Cassell vs Alston, is this really much in favor of Houston? At this point in their careers, Rafer produces more and can give you more off the bench IMO. I think he's extremely underrated on these boards, he was the second best player on a Rockets team that had no McGrady for almost 3 weeks and they faired pretty well.

McCants vs Turkoglu-Advantage Sonics, I don't think there is any doubt here. Turkoglu is a complete offensive player, he'll score inside/outside and dish the ball out. McCants is inexperienced and is one dimensional.

Rashard/Outlaw vs Hedo/Marvin/Delfino, how much better is Lewis than Hedo? If he is, it's not by much. Hedo is more of a combo guard at the 2/3, so I can rely on him to give minutes at both positions. Lewis is basically a 3 playing out of position at the 4 for the Magic right now. You mentioned Outlaw as a decent player off the bench for the Rockets, but gave no love to IMO the better current player in Marvin Williams. Outlaw has been terrific for Portland the last month +, Marvin has been solid for Atlanta the entire season. Marvin is the third best player on a rising Hawks team, he's at the very least a capable bench player. Delfino ditto, having a terrific season in Toronto, he's not getting much recognition, but he's a much better player this year and has improved his numbers all around.

Collison/Maxiell/Thomas vs Haslem/Bargnani/Perkins, I guess it's all a matter of preference between Collison/Haslem, both are IMO equal players, Haslem edges out in experience. Collison is more of a 4/5 so I have the luxury of playing him at both the center and power forward positions so I can maximize him. Haslem is a 4, too undersized to play the 5. Then you have Bargnani/Perkins vs Maxiell/Thomas, I think this is also an advantage for the Sonics in experience and current production. Maxiell has broken out in Detroit this season, he's really been their 1st big off the bench behind Sheed/McDyess and has produced big when given the minutes.

There's really only one position off the bench that is an arguable advantage for the Rockets (SF). I don't see how they win the battle of second units in this match-up.

[penbeast0]

Not sure where anyone would get the idea that Earl Watson is a one dimensional scorer . . . or any kind of scorer. He's a good defender and a decent distributor (nothing special) but for his career he's averaging less than 12 pts/36 minutes with poor efficiency. I'm assuming a brain glitch; we all have them.

[VintaGe36]

Well Warsprite, its tied 2-2. May the best man win.

Unless my math is wrong, and you have won, in which case...Good luck?