2nd take on Evans and Cook

[spinedoc]

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Garrity had two quality years. In 2001/2002 and 2002/2003 he was a 11/4 guy.

Brian Cook has so far never come close to those golden-Garrity stats. Cook's best year is 8/3.

Well that may be true, but I'm not talking about any career stats here. I'm talking about him being a better player right now at this moment in time.

[drsd]

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Well that may be true, but I'm not talking about any career stats here. I'm talking about him being a better player right now at this moment in time.

Is your argument in favor of Garrity or Cook? I think all will agree that they are redundant and that Cook has more chance to stay with the season beyond this season.

[maginno]

Evans is better than Ariza anyone who thinks differently is wrong and has been wrong since this tired ass argument started.

Tired is making a statement without anything to back it up. Nice try at masquerading a statement as a matter of fact but EH! fails. Ariza is more athletic and a better defender with waaay more upside. Logic states the deal doesn't get done straight up with ariza for Evans. Thats all we need to know.

Now if you are banking on the injury being career threatening then thats another matter but those sorry rumors have yet to substantiated.

[Shishnizzle]

I knew I would get a rise out of you. Take a chill pill. Your easy to upset. You don't have to try and refute every statement on real gm. I was being an ass on purpose, because I felt like it.

[Last Guardian]

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Tired is making a statement without anything to back it up. Nice try at masquerading a statement as a matter of fact but EH! fails. Ariza is more athletic and a better defender with waaay more upside. Logic states the deal doesn't get done straight up with ariza for Evans. Thats all we need to know.

Now if you are banking on the injury being career threatening then thats another matter but those sorry rumors have yet to substantiated.

I guess being an athlete is all there is to being an NBA players? Because Mo is far better ball handler, shooter, moving without the ball and help defense. Ariza is certainly a better man defender and we'll agree he has more upside because he is insanely young. But Mo is a better BASKETBALL player right now. And the whole more athletic thing, its not like Mo is some slouch. This guy can get up, and quick.

[lovehoops01]

Thats my point that "logical " means you cannot come to a conclusion without sufficient evidence.

We just don't know and claiming that the Magic predicted this injury would happen based on a third party report coming out around the time of the trade isn't logical.

What organization in their right mind would make those kind of predictions slip to the media at the time of the trade?

I do know one thing - Laker fans are crying big time over this which indicates they see WAY more value in Ariza than The magic fans on this board ever did. I doubt anyone would be crying over the season if cook or even evans got a fractured leg.

I don't agree at all with the last part of this post. There were a hell of a lot of people upset that Ariza was traded and recognize that he is a good basketball player. When he was hurt last season, a lot of people attributed it to him being out. And with good reason because the Magic lost all but about seven of the games that he missed during that midseason injury last year. (I think he missed 17 games.)

Just because they recognize that there is some value to the players they got back, too, doesn't mean that most of them didn't recognize what Trevor brought to the Magic. And with the Lakers....it helps that Andrew Bynum and Chris Mihm also got injured first. I think they are more upset about Bynum being injured and Kwame starting than anything else. But the string of injuries is tough on the Lakers, and Ariza had proven to be a contributor for them who has made some exciting plays.

Also, the report on whether Trevor has a structural foot problem did not come from the Magic. It was an unsubstantiated rumor. I took it as pure conjecture on someone's part.

[mhectorgato]

I don't agree at all with the last part of this post. There were a hell of a lot of people upset that Ariza was traded and recognize that he is a good basketball player. When he was hurt last season, a lot of people attributed it to him being out. And with good reason because the Magic lost all but about seven of the games that he missed during that midseason injury last year. (I think he missed 17 games.)

Don't forget that Tony was out also for a while during the same time frame.

[maginno]

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And the whole more athletic thing, its not like Mo is some slouch. This guy can get up, and quick.

I'll give you that. Like I've said before Mo makes it palatable but Cook is the only one under contract next year. I like the guy. If you notice when I rail against the trade I usually mention Cook. IF Stan can make something out of Cook for the rest of the season he will deserve a medal. Still it will be a year or two before we know whether the move pans out. Of course I am not seeing it although this issue with injuries may be a deciding factor

Big SVG fan here but I sense he's already spoiled by the presence of Turk Dwight and Rashard. Stan did his best work when guiding new young players. Hard to believe JJ is not on the blocks so thats three players with potentially big upsides potentially gone and we don't do very well in drafts as it is.

[Hairy Midget]

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I'll give you that. Like I've said before Mo makes it palatable but Cook is the only one under contract next year. I like the guy. If you notice when I rail against the trade I usually mention Cook. IF Stan can make something out of Cook for the rest of the season he will deserve a medal. Still it will be a year or two before we know whether the move pans out. Of course I am not seeing it although this issue with injuries may be a deciding factor

Big SVG fan here but I sense he's already spoiled by the presence of Turk Dwight and Rashard. Stan did his best work when guiding new young players. Hard to believe JJ is not on the blocks so thats three players with potentially big upsides potentially gone and we don't do very well in drafts as it is.

You can't use that comment because Ariza won't be under contract next year either, and he'd certainly not be on the Magic next year considering he wasn't getting a whole lot of playing time and the Magic won't want to pay him what he wants.

[KingDave]

Evans has been great ever since he became a starter...Cook has played much better these last few games..These guys can be the difference makers for the Magic because Washington is right behind them...Cook is able to spell Hedo and Rashard so they dont have to play as many minutes...Evans allows Bogans to be another scorer off the bench..If these guys can gel at the right time, their gonna be playing their best ball heading into the playoffs.

[maginno]

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You can't use that comment because Ariza won't be under contract next year either, and he'd certainly not be on the Magic next year considering he wasn't getting a whole lot of playing time and the Magic won't want to pay him what he wants.

Of course I can for the obvious reason that Ariza could be traded for a player that doesn't expire next year. Ariza haters and Cook Evan trade proponents trip me out. On one hand they say Ariza has little value because he has no consistent jump shot and is "structurally" damaged goods and then they turn around and argue that Ariza wouldn't have been here because others would offer him more money.

Whose to tell? if mo is this great fit here that many of you see on the basis of recent games theres telling where he might land up or how much more he might command based on the great season you are all projecting for him.

[Hairy Midget]

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Of course I can for the obvious reason that Ariza could be traded for a player that doesn't expire next year. Ariza haters and Cook Evan trade proponents trip me out. On one hand they say Ariza has little value because he has no consistent jump shot and is "structurally" damaged goods and then they turn around and argue that Ariza wouldn't have been here because others would offer him more money.

Whose to tell? if mo is this great fit here that many of you see on the basis of recent games theres telling where he might land up or how much more he might command based on the great season you are all projecting for him.

Ariza would get more money on the open market on potential. Evans is the better player at the moment, it's all about if you believe Ariza will fulfull any of his potential, which he hasn't yet.

If a player is going to be special he usually shows it pretty early. Ariza hasn't done that. He's likely going to be nothing more than an above average defensive player with absolutely no offense other than a few offensive put backs and dunks.

[Last Guardian]

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I'll give you that. Like I've said before Mo makes it palatable but Cook is the only one under contract next year. I like the guy. If you notice when I rail against the trade I usually mention Cook. IF Stan can make something out of Cook for the rest of the season he will deserve a medal. Still it will be a year or two before we know whether the move pans out. Of course I am not seeing it although this issue with injuries may be a deciding factor

Big SVG fan here but I sense he's already spoiled by the presence of Turk Dwight and Rashard. Stan did his best work when guiding new young players. Hard to believe JJ is not on the blocks so thats three players with potentially big upsides potentially gone and we don't do very well in drafts as it is.

Cook fits this team pretty well so I wouldn't doubt if Stan can make him a solid player. Recently he has been decent. He makes those passes into Dwight pretty easily. He is making his jumpshots. Not a horrible rebounder and he actually has size.

[mhectorgato]

If a player is going to be special he usually shows it pretty early. Ariza hasn't done that. He's likely going to be nothing more than an above average defensive player with absolutely no offense other than a few offensive put backs and dunks.

I think your viewpoint on his offense is a bit extreme.

He was able to drive the rim when with us. Not sure how he would do if developed a reputation and defenses key on that, though.

[spinedoc]

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Is your argument in favor of Garrity or Cook? I think all will agree that they are redundant and that Cook has more chance to stay with the season beyond this season.

My argument is that Cook is better than Garrity right now, not in years past like you suggested by giving me Pat's previous stats, but right now. I don't see the redundency either, or the "black Garrity" comparison's with him. Just because he's a pf with range does not mean that he is a Garrity clone. I think he does other things far better than Garrity ever could. Sure, there are similarities, but not many.

[MagicFan32]

If you **** up your feet they never get back to 100 percent, anyone that's fractured or broken a foot/ankle knows this. I would be really surprsied if Trevor was ever 100 percent healthy feet wise.

[drsd]

Against Memphis, Cook and Evans had ZERO turn overs in nearly 50 minutes of game time. WOW!!!

[DiplomaticMagic]

Cook was good yesterday too but he just gotta learn how to stop fouling.

[cedric76]

i really like what i saw from cook once again last night

[DiplomaticMagic]

Cook was quite horrible @Pistons.

But today vs. celtics...he really energized the run.

I really liked Evans too. He had a couple good dunks in the 1st half.

And TBH, I don't think we've made a bad trade in awhile. I think the last bad trade we had was Mobley for Christie. Unless the Battie trade was after that. I liked the Battie swap for Gooden but there was no need to add Varejao. But the management hate is a little out of hand.

anyway i don't want to get this thread to bashing the management i want it to talk about Evans and Cook's production