OT: Interesting Bulls-Nets Trade Rumour

Consequence · Post #1 » by **Consequence** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:43 pm

Al Iannazzone in the Record says the Nets and Bulls have talked about a multi-player deal that would bring Andres Nocioni, Thabo Sefolosha and possibly others to New Jersey and send Boki Nachbar, Marcus Williams, Antoine Wright and Jamaal Magloire to Chicago.

That deal, as described in the quote, doesn't work in the Tradechecker, so adjustments would need to be made for it to go through.

As a division rival, I think that it's important to watch what the Nets are doing. I don't really think that this is a good trade for them. A starting lineup of Kidd-Carter-RJ-Nocioni-Boone(or Collins, I suppose) still doesn't scare me in the slightest. They also give up on M. Williams, which would sort of surprise me, unless they somehow get Duhon back.

PopAGat · Post #2 » by **PopAGat** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:46 pm

That trade would screw over the Bulls more and mess up the PG position for the Nets in the future. .Paxon is an idiot..He's getting nothing but garbage in return..only good player hes getting is Marcus Williams.

Post #3 » by **Turnpikebandit** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:48 pm

That deal smacks of "anti-coasting" insurance for Carter.

The_Hater · Post #4 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:50 pm

Damm. I thought I was about to read about something along the lines of Wallace/Gordon for Vince.

This is an awful trade for the Bulls. I think that Noc and Thabo are clearly the 2 most valuable assets in the deal. The Bulls don't really need the overrated Williams at PG and Nachbar is a (very) poor mans Nocioni.

Antoine_Wright21 · Post #5 » by **Antoine_Wright21** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:50 pm

How does this trade make sense for either team ?

It doesn't solve NJ's need of a big man and Chicago gets a PG they don't need, unless they're looking to deal Hinrich... In any case it still doesn't make sense for NJ.

GideonRapfan · Post #6 » by **GideonRapfan** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:54 pm

I saw that on the Nets board, and thought it looks like a classic case of two teams hoping a change for the sake of change might give their respective fortunes a lift.

The "and possibly others" part is really the only question.

As far as how it affects the Raps, Nachbar has hurt us in the past, but so has Nocioni. The others, well, who cares really.

rise of raptors · Post #7 » by **rise of raptors** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:55 pm

This is a terrible trade for the Bulls.

Nocionni has been the best Bull this season, and they are downgrading by getting Nachbar in return.

Please don't tell me Paxon thinks acquiring Magloire will solve their interior problems.

The_Hater · Post #8 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:58 pm

Antoine_Wright21 wrote:How does this trade make sense for either team ?

It doesn't solve NJ's need of a big man and Chicago gets a PG they don't need, unless they're looking to deal Hinrich... In any case it still doesn't make sense for NJ.

Noc can play PF (and probably plays it better than any current Net) but my guess is it would lay the groundwork for the Nets to trade either Carter or RJ for a big man with Noc ready to step in at SF.

The way I see it, the Nets would be getting 2 solid assets at minimal cost. It's a no-brainer for them but pointless for the Bulls. Unless the Bulls are clearing out Noc to avoid luxury tax next year?

Air Canada · Post #9 » by **Air Canada** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:00 pm

Youd think that the Bulls could get more in return for Nocioni. If theyre gonna make a trade, they should pull of a blockbuster for someone like Gasol. This trade wouldnt really help their team.

Consequence · Post #10 » by **Consequence** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:01 pm

The_Hater wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Noc can play PF (and probably plays it better than any current Net) but my guess is it would lay the groundwork for the Nets to trade either Carter or RJ for a big man with Noc ready to step in at SF.

The way I see it, the Nets would be getting 2 solid assets at minimal cost. It's a no-brainer for them but pointless for the Bulls. Unless the Bulls are clearing out Noc to avoid luxury tax next year?

That's about the only justification that I can see for it. Williams is the only non-expiring contract being received by the Bulls in the quoted deal.

vancityballer · Post #11 » by **vancityballer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:05 pm

Nocioni is definitely not the Bulls issue right now. I don't believe for a second that Pax would pull this trade if he is actually looking for improvement from his squad. He's smart enough to realize that Wallace is a big part of the issue as he's too slow and no longer the intimidating force on the glass and in the paint defensively as he once was. Magloire wouldn't help out in either of those areas sufficiently. Not a trade worth mentioning. Just another beat writer trying to stir up s*#t.

PopAGat · Post #12 » by **PopAGat** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:05 pm

The_Hater wrote:Damm. I thought I was about to read about something along the lines of Wallace/Gordon for Vince.

This is an awful trade for the Bulls. I think that Noc and Thabo are clearly the 2 most valuable assets in the deal. The Bulls don't really need the overrated Williams at PG and Nachbar is a (very) poor mans Nocioni.

That Nets team would be hella good if that happened.
Kidd+Gordon backcourt=deadly. RJ+Kristic+Wallace=deadly Front court.

Never would happen though.

The_Dark_One · Post #13 » by **The_Dark_One** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:13 pm

Nocioni can be expendable since the bulls have drafted Noah

The_Hater · Post #14 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:23 pm

Consequence wrote:That's about the only justification that I can see for it. Williams is the only non-expiring contract being received by the Bulls in the quoted deal.

2008-09 salaries:

B.Wallace $14.5
Hinrich $10.2
Nocioni $8.0
J.Smith $4.8

And we already know that Gordon and Deng have rejected about $20 million/year combined in contracts. Plus their 1st round pick, Thomas, Noah etc...

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... /bulls.jsp

I think that they'd be getting dangerously close to the tax with 5 high paid, long term players without trading Noc.

NOTE: Interesting thing I just noticed. The top 4 paid players on the Bulls have all signed contracts that decrease in annual salary every susequent season. I think that's actually a pretty good strategy by Paxson.

The_Hater · Post #15 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:26 pm

The_Dark_One wrote:Nocioni can be expendable since the bulls have drafted Noah

They don't even play the same position. :-?

Post #16 » by **TheDoctor** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:28 pm

That looks an awful lot like the shuffling of deck chairs, while neither team addresses their actual issues.

Although, Wright is a big SG who isn't as pathetic a shooter as Thabo, and still might develop.

Sefolosha would give the nets another tall defender who Kidd would make look better on the break.

Magloire could actually get minutes on the Bulls, and might even score a bit for them in the post. But they need more minutes for their young bigs, not less.

Agreed that Nocioni is a better and more versatile version of Nachbar. I'd imagine that he might even start at PF for the Nets after a trade. He'd certainly be first guy off the bench.

Duhon probably isn't in the long term Chicago plans, so bringing Marcus Williams aboard could make sense.

I just don't see why you trade some assets like that and get pieces that don't make you appreciably better, nor fix short term needs to get the team on track. Unless you're just so disappointed with all the players involved that you feel like you may as well try someone else's junk. And that CAN work.

Consequence · Post #17 » by **Consequence** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:29 pm

The_Hater wrote:
Consequence wrote:That's about the only justification that I can see for it. Williams is the only non-expiring contract being received by the Bulls in the quoted deal.

NOTE: Interesting thing I just noticed. The top 4 paid players on the Bulls have all signed contracts that decrease in annual salary every susequent season. I think that's actually a pretty good strategy by Paxson.

Yeah, he did that so that he could try to resign guys like Gordon and Deng. Reinsdorf (their owner) is apparently not willing to pay luxury tax.

Post #18 » by **TheDoctor** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:34 pm

Interesting - bulls6 and Sham would be on that trade, for a variety of reasons. They think Nocioni is an overpaid average player, while three of the incoming guys are expiring contracts + Marcus Williams. It also lets them trade Duhon immediately for some value - maybe as part of a move of Tyrus Thomas for a scoring big?

They look like the kind of team that needs to make a few moves soon... so as part of "another shoe to drop" this could make more sense for them.

And Jersey wants to win now with that core, and Noc would fit in great.

random_hero891 · Post #19 » by **random_hero891** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:48 pm

I wish we could do a 3 way deal to get Nocioni here, I love that guys game.

The_Hater · Post #20 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:49 pm

TheDoctor wrote:Interesting - bulls6 and Sham would be on that trade, for a variety of reasons. They think Nocioni is an overpaid average player, while three of the incoming guys are expiring contracts + Marcus Williams. It also lets them trade Duhon immediately for some value - maybe as part of a move of Tyrus Thomas for a scoring big?

They look like the kind of team that needs to make a few moves soon... so as part of "another shoe to drop" this could make more sense for them.

And Jersey wants to win now with that core, and Noc would fit in great.

Yeah. Once I looked at Noc's salary I realized that he is a little bit overpaid for what he brings to the table. So his value is marginal at best due to that. And with Duhon a pending free-agent, the cheaper Williams does make some sense for next season.