Bulls-Blazers trade (from my understanding)

[magee]

Let me toy with that for a minute.

[DeezXXnutZ]

I think if there was a deal happening it would be a 3 way with Gordon coming to Portland and Gasol going to the Bulls..Not sure how everything else would work out maybe Thomas and Webster going to the Grizz....Or maybe even somehow Conley coming to Portland..this was my first thought....

Heres a 3 way with Memphis I just put together on the trade checker....

Chicago Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
19.0 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 3.0 apg in 36.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tyrus Thomas
6-8 PF from LSU
5.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
19.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.1 minutes

Memphis Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
6-8 PF from LSU
5.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15.6 minutes
Taurean Green
6-0 PG from Florida
1.2 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 6.0 minutes
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.8 minutes
Martell Webster
6-7 SG from Seattle Prep (HS)
10.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
19.0 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 3.0 apg in 36.8 minutes

Portland Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
19.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Taurean Green
6-0 PG from Florida
1.2 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 6.0 minutes
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.8 minutes
Martell Webster
6-7 SG from Seattle Prep (HS)
10.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.0 minutes

[magee]

Damn. That works. It seems like Memphis needs more coming in.

*Here's what I got to work:

Chicago trades:

Ben Wallace
Ben Gordon
Tyrus Thomas
Joakim Noah
Chris Duhon

Chicago receives:

Pau Gasol
Darko Milicic
Channing Frye
Jarrett Jack

Memphis trades:

Pau Gasol
Darko Milicic

Memphis receives:

Ben Wallace
Tyrus Thomas
Chris Duhon
Martell Webster

Portland trades:

Martell Webster
Jarrett Jack
Channing Frye

Portland receives:

Ben Gordon
Joakim Noah

I can't really see that going down. Portland gets best end of the deal. Memphis gets depth, but would have to make a small, 2-for-1 separate deal to get all the pieces to fit. GM Chris Wallace hasn't been known to get the best out of deals, too. Memphis does get a year closer to more cap room. Plus I can't see Chicago really blowing it up like that. They become a vet. team and Darko would have to play for his, what, 5th coach in the four years he's played in the NBA? Cap wise, there has to be a lot of players involved. I would have to see Juan Carlos Navarro going to Chicago and Jack going to Memphis. This is getting complicated.

[DeezXXnutZ]

Damn. That works. It seems like Memphis needs more coming in.

I though it was almost to much...Webster, Thomas, Jack, and Green..Thats 4 1st rounders from the last 3 years... I also was thinking maybe Sergio should be going to the Bulls with Gasol and maybe something else from the Bulls coming back to the Blazers...

What did you think overall with the trade for all the teams..?

[Tiggo Bitties]

No way we trade 3 of our rotation players right now. This is something that I could see happening in the off-season though.

[magee]

Deez, Taurean was drafted in the 2nd round. It doesn't work in the TC.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Tyrus Thomas would only be traded as part of a larger package - not as the centerpiece of a deal.

He was clearly labelled a project when drafted - and players like that do not get traded in Year 2 just because they arent ready yet. He's also only 21 & is the Bulls 4th option at PF. There is reason for them just to dump him at this point.

Both Hinrich & Nocioni are BYC, but could be traded if a large contract like Wallace's is included.

Wallace could be seen as a mentor to Oden & his deal ends just before extensions to Aldridge & Roy

[Tommy Udo 6]

Here's a possible deal:

Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Chicago and Portland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago and Portland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #4430139

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.1 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and -2.4 apg.

Incoming Players
Joel Przybilla
7-1 C from Minnesota
4.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 20.9 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas
1.8 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes

Outgoing Players
Tyrus Thomas
6-8 PF from LSU
5.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15.6 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 32.3 minutes


Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +3.1 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
6-8 PF from LSU
5.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15.6 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 32.3 minutes

Outgoing Players
Joel Przybilla
7-1 C from Minnesota
4.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 20.9 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas
1.8 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes

[BlackMamba]

i LOVE the first deal, all i see is ben gordon. duhon could be a valuable asset. thomas i don't know, but he's young and supposedly really talented, so the blazers could use him.

about the 2nd trade, with memphis involved i don't know if i would accept noah.

and about that last trade, joel and raef for thomas an wallace, it could be interesting having oden and ben wallace in the same team, but i don't know if wallace would be ok with being the backup.

[Charlie78]

Here is one i posted on chicagos board

Portland trades
Darius Miles + one of (jack, martell, frye, draft pick)

Chicago trades
Resigned PJ Brown

If darius gets healthy at all he can be a contributer otherwise he goes away and insurance covers most of his contract while they pick up a young piece. Portland Gets more cap space in 2009 which frees us up to resign guys like Jones.

[Billy]

First off I don't see Portland sacrificing their cap plan (even if they don't intend to actually see it to it's fruition) for Ben Wallace. Anything involving Portland dealing shorter contracts for Wallace seems out of the question to me. But that's just my opinion.

Of course, the argument may be made that Ben Gordon is the prize--but if he doesn't resign that's not much of a prize. KP for as good as he is really really seems to stay away from risk, and I think that's why Portland has seen such a quick resurgence under his tutelage.

Putting aside my own bias towards Tyrus Thomas, I could see a player like that as a piece that would interest Pritchard. Obviously he's athletic, he has a lot of tools that are at his disposal that haven't been cultivated (buzzword bingo! IBM tm) quite yet. But I don't see him as a small forward for Portland unless he can develop some serious range.

It's been mentioned that KP hasn't/isn't/whatever a big fan of Martell's. I'm not sure how true that is or not as I don't see the evidence to go off on other than the fact that it was clear he liked Chris Paul better than anyone in that draft... not exactly damning. Secondly if I recall right the original NY deal was actually Zach and Martell rather than Zach and Jones. KP substituted, Thomas agreed and the rest is history. At best I see a wash.

But if a deal in part involves Martell for Thomas I don't see Portland being interested. Martell like Travis and like Thomas was a project and now Portland is getting to finally reap some of the benefits from him. Martell like has been mentioned seems like a perfect fit for the Blazers. He plays underrated defense and nobody leaves him open anymore. When Oden gets back that is going to seriously stretch the defense.

I'd love to get my hands on BG, and I certainly know you have to give to get. I'm not trying to go homer on these trade proposals. But I don't see Thomas and Webster being involved in a deal unless KP really wanted someone in a deal and Martell was the only feasible cap casualty and Thomas was returned to even out the talent/production given up.

[mojomarc]

I certainly like TT better than Raef, but I think TT would have a hard time finding playing time with us and Raef will be coming off the books after next season. That said, I would much, much rather keep Joel than have Ben Wallace. So the trade with just those players really doesn't interest me.

If we get Ben Gordon or Luol Deng in there from Chicago, then I'd be interested and we could probably see what players would be coming back and evaluate it based on that.

[BlackMamba]

Here is one i posted on chicagos board

Portland trades
Darius Miles + one of (jack, martell, frye, draft pick)

Chicago trades
Resigned PJ Brown

If darius gets healthy at all he can be a contributer otherwise he goes away and insurance covers most of his contract while they pick up a young piece. Portland Gets more cap space in 2009 which frees us up to resign guys like Jones.

sounds VERY interesting. of those options i would choose the pick or jack.

pj brown is a perfect PF/C backup. as far as i know he's kind of the perfect veteran to have around.

[Papercut]

I'm just going to assume most people haven't seen Duhon play this year, because considering him a valuable asset or believing he could crack our PG rotation is crazy. Even by backup PG standards, the guy has been absolutely terrible this year.

[Tommy Udo 6]

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sounds VERY interesting. of those options i would choose the pick or jack.

pj brown is a perfect PF/C backup. as far as i know he's kind of the perfect veteran to have around.

Chicago REFUSES to pay Lux Tax.

yeah, I know - Bulls make more money than any other NBA team. In fact, their last 10 year profit may be the largest in US Sports - but they refuse to pay a penny that they dont need to pay

Bulls are less than $3 million from Lux Tax. They will not sign PJ Brown & add salary

No matter how much sense it makes, they will not do it.

[Spykes]

Spykes, just to clarify things, it this a potential trade you heard about or were you just thinking about potential deals?

I think this is just a potential idea.

[Goldbum]

The thing I do like about the Raef/Pryz for TT/Wallace deal is that TT is a nice trade asset to use in a move to trade up in the draft.

[541Blaza]

There's no way I trade Martell Webster. We lose a lot of character in this trade, I'm not down with that.

[Norm2953]

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I think you're under estimating what Thomas and Duhon could bring to the team. Now granted, as I've mentioned before, Thomas would definitely have to have his head on straight and be giving a full effort... But if he does that, he'd get some minutes for us. I think he could even start at SF for us.

Duhon would see the least amount of time of the 3, but I think he could get a decent 10 minutes or so of energy at PG.

That admitted is a big for while TT could do an about face with a
change of scenery, KP has no reason to trade three guys in our
rotation in order to find out. There's no reason to be making trades
just to be making trades.

I'm not opposed to moving 2 or 3 spare parts on the roster but if
we do, let's trade those guys for a guy who is clearly better than
the guys we have. As Jason Quick just said on the Fan, the biggest
question mark on the team is going to be addressed by one Greg
Oden.

[Napoleon7]

I really don't like messing with the chemistry mid-season.

That being said if we could get Gordon for a package of Fyre, Jack & #1 (if necessary) I would do it.

I do not like the swap of TT for Martell.