Bucks, time to tank?

[europa]

The inability to properly feed the ball into the post is not just on Redd. That's a team-wide problem. This team simply does not have many good players who know how to make a good entry pass.

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Great last post Eastside; I completely agree.

also xtitan did a much better job of getting across the point I feebly tried to make about creating a losing mentality. IMHO tanking is not an option; I hated it last year and I want nothing to do with it this year.

[jerrod]

We tank as long as it takes.

that's disgusting

[El Duderino]

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So given how the Bucks haven't drafted a big-time player since Sidney Moncrief, does that mean we should just come back in 30 years and see how things are going then?

We tank as long as it takes.

Tank how is my big question?

I'm fine with the team making some trades that MAKE SENSE for the long term and would cause extra losing this year.

Say though trades can't be worked out during the season to guys like Mo and/or Redd that would cause the losing.

Do you want the team with half a season left to fake injuries to our starters or bench the starters and instead play guys like Ivey/Bell/Storey/Voskuhl in the starting lineup?

[InsideOut]

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that's disgusting

I agree. What's your plan to add some great players to this team?

[jerrod]

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I agree. What's your plan to add some great players to this team?

that's not the point, the few fans we have left are not gonna put up with that and we all know what the result of that would be.

repeated tanking is just not an option

if we were going to make a big change i'd trade redd for what we could get now and go from there, see how that works in the 2nd half and if someone else isn't fitting in then move them over the summer.

hopefully bogut and yi putting up some big games would be enough to keep the overall hope up a little.

(i don't consider that tanking if you aren't holding out anyone that's ready to go, but i know some people do)

[InsideOut]

Tank how is my big question?

I'm fine with the team making some trades that MAKE SENSE for the long term and would cause extra losing this year.

Say though trades can't be worked out during the season to guys like Mo and/or Redd that would cause the losing.

Do you want the team with half a season left to fake injuries to our starters or bench the starters and instead play guys like Ivey/Bell/Storey/Voskuhl in the starting lineup?

This is so tough. To be honest I'm a win at all costs (short of cheating) type of person. My family hates me at Christmas because I'm going nuts over a game of sheepshead for dimes.

I'd hate to see us fake injuries and play Ivey/Bell/Storey/Voskuhl in the starting lineup. However, if they did it I'd respect their desire to do whatever it takes to try and get a better draft pick. And if that pick ended up being an all-star I'm all sure we'd forgive the Bucks in a second. The sad truth is you'll soon start to see other teams tanking. If we don't we are giving those other teams an advantage come draft time. What I'd really like to see is the draft disbanded and rookies being able to sign for whatever and wherever they want.

[jerrod]

What I'd really like to see is the draft disbanded and rookies being able to sign for whatever and wherever they want.

you realize that we'd never get a top rookie ever again right?

[1377]

The inability to properly feed the ball into the post is not just on Redd. That's a team-wide problem. This team simply does not have many good players who know how to make a good entry pass.

I think sometimes I would settle for a bad entry pass, as long as it was actually attempted once in a while.

[InsideOut]

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that's not the point, the few fans we have left are not gonna put up with that and we all know what the result of that would be.

repeated tanking is just not an option

if we were going to make a big change i'd trade redd for what we could get now and go from there, see how that works in the 2nd half and if someone else isn't fitting in then move them over the summer.

hopefully bogut and yi putting up some big games would be enough to keep the overall hope up a little.

(i don't consider that tanking if you aren't holding out anyone that's ready to go, but i know some people do)

Do you think the fans care if we try and win 38 games or tank and win 30? Either way we stink and aren't going anywhere. Honestly, don't you think the fans expect the Bucks to stink year after year? In the past 17 years we've only finished a full season over .500 THREE times. We've sucked or been irrelevant for 16 of the past 17 seasons. If the fans we have left haven't left by now they aren't ever going to leave.

And yes, people will say we tanked if we trade Redd for picks and expiring deals. We are intentionally losing now to hopefully make the team better in the future. Isn't that tanking? Or is it being smart?

[InsideOut]

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you realize that we'd never get a top rookie ever again right?

I didn't want to open this can of worms as I posted my thoughts on this in the main board. I realize all the big names would want to play in L.A., NY, Phoenix, Miami... My plan had the NBA going to a hard cap. So a great rookie wouldn't want to sign with a NY or Phoenix because they are at the cap and couldn't pay them dink. I also feel top rookies wouldn't want to play on great teams or with a Kobe because what great rookie would want to stand around and watch Kobe run the show. Don't you think the top rookies would rather sign with the teams that aren't at the cap (Seattle) and could give them huge contracts and could offer them the chance to be the main man and take 20 shots a night? The weather might be nice in Phoenix but do you think Durant or Oden would sign there and be stuck only playing 20 minutes a night in a back-up roll? I think it would work but I also see where I could be wrong. I'd like to see the NBA give it a shot as it would end tanking.

[El Duderino]

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And yes, people will say we tanked if we trade Redd for picks and expiring deals. We are intentionally losing now to hopefully make the team better in the future. Isn't that tanking? Or is it being smart?

I see trading players as nowhere near the same as benching healthy starters for no other reason except to lose on purpose.

Making trades doesn't equal trying to lose on purpose. It would be realizing certain players don't fit and a change was being made. That's far different from say benching a healthy Mo/Redd so that we are near assured of losing games.

[MajorDad]

a lot of people say what good did tanking do for us last year. We got Yi who is probably one of the top 5 rookies (oden, Conley, Durant, Horford and Yi). if we hadn't tanked, we would have been lucky to draft Noah or somebody even worse.

I look at this year's draft and there are 6-8 guys who can make a difference and have potential to become an all star. i would hate to have the 11--14th pick and end up with the guy who was good in college but has no future in the NBA. Can you say georgetown center?

When i say tank, I look at two things. first, I look at the Bucks' chances to make the play-offs. if they look slim, then I look at the talent that is going to be available in the draft. If i see some franchise players in the draft that could make an immediate impact, then I say TANK!. Last year was a great year to tank. i think this year is also a great year. There is no oden this year, but there are some great point and shooting guards. The top 5 picks this year are as good if not better than last year's top 5.

And like any draft, there is a drop-off. After pick 9, all you are going to do is either pick a role player, or take a crap shoot on a project.

if the Bucks want to be a play-off team, then shake up this roster and get some real talent NOW. Don't wait until the trade deadline. we're losing ground fast. Otherwise, tank and get some real talent from the draft. Standing pat and picking 12th will result in the Bucks picking 12th again next year and the year after and the year after.....

What I can't understand is why the Bucks always wait until late January/February to start tanking. The majority of us posters were predicting the bucks would finish 9-10th best in the east at the begining of the year with everybody healthy. We should have been like the twolves and started tanking from day 1.

[InsideOut]

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I see trading players as nowhere near the same as benching healthy starters for no other reason except to lose on purpose.

Making trades doesn't equal trying to lose on purpose. It would be realizing certain players don't fit and a change was being made. That's far different from say benching a healthy Mo/Redd so that we are near assured of losing games.

I don't disagree with you but when Cleveland traded their team away for nothing everyone knew they were trying to finish last and get King James. If we traded Redd for picks and garbage we are knowingly going to lose more games this season. Some people call that tanking. I guess their isn't an official definition for the word tanking. Is playing Redd 20 minutes a game and giving more time to our bench guys tanking or is it call giving them experience so they will be better next season? They do that is baseball when they call guys up. Is doing the same thing in basketball considered tanking?

[NeedsMoreCheese]

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you realize that we'd never get a top rookie ever again right?

Weve had one before? (I mean other than that douche Lew Alcindor who was great)