Turkoglu article in USA TODAY

[mhectorgato]

1. this is getting more and more incredible.
2. how many here comment without watching the games impartially?
3. detroit treated hedo as the third option by guarding him with prince, rasheed and hamilton taking turns.
4. most teams get the scouting report that hedo is the third option all throughout the game, especially in the fourth quarter and set their strategies accordingly.
5. claiming that rashard was anticipated as the second option prior to the season and the first few games is one thing, insisting on this anticipation as fact in the face of what is really going on is another thing which shall not be qualified here.

I dare to say that's near impossible. Some on this board seem able to emotionally divorce themselves from the team and make accurate observations.

But that's a precious few, of which I'm not apart of. I was complaining about Dooling during one game. During the post-game conference SVG said that he did a better job than Arroyo. My opinion was reversed - so was I really watching impartially or not? Not certain of which category I fit into.

If the fan thinks that Rashard is overpaid, not worth the money, just an outside threat, then they will watch the games with that bias and will only see that.

[Typhoon20]

So let me get this straight, just because Hedo is averaging more points, that makes him the second option? First, second, or even third option has to do with the team's offensive gameplan, not on the resultant boxscore. Shard is the second option here, but because he gets more attention, Hedo has been able to put up better numbers thus far. As Hedo gets more respect from opposing teams, those numbers will change throughout the rest of the season.

You need some pair of glasses.

This team's offensive gameplan IS Hedo.
Hedo already gets more respect from opposing teams since quite some time, Hedo gets more double teams than Shard. He scored 26 or 28 against Pistons with 8 assists, while getting double teamed on A LOT OF possessions with Prince guarding him. I will go as far as to say that Shard at the 4 takes a bit away from the D (although Shard is a smart player on D and knows how to keep the player from the paint) on Offense, Shard has a huge advantage against the opposing 4's. Plus Hedo makes the plays most of the time getting double teamed after the pick&roll. I don't see Shard being a threat at creating which results in less double teams for him as opposed to Hedo. Just watch the Pistons game again.

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And then you trade Hedo for that and then guess what? You need a Hedo type player now!

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. I'm one of the few people who see Hedo as instrumental. He's like a glue holding the team together with his all-around skills and especially his pick&roll with Dwight. He's like LBJ, playing the point forward exceptionally. You trade him for example for Heat's Haslem and things change. Defensively we become better IN the paint, offensively we get a few more boards, Shard goes to the 3 and Dwight gets some help in the paint. But now the opposing teams will close the paint and we'll have a limited number of shooting threats, aside of Shard (which will get more double teams with Hedo out) it's going to decrease our scoring threat. But the most devastating blow will come from the lack of creativity. If we had Kidd or a good point guard we could afford to trade Hedo, but we don't. Instead we have one of the worst ballhandlers and point guards in the NBA. Our offensive gameplan will become very one-dimensional. Shard can't create or handle the ball well. When it all matters in the 4th quarter a PF isn't going to save the day.A couple weeks later when the team struggles even worse everyone is going to go ''wish we had kept Hedo''. When you give a good piece away, you have to make sure the incoming piece makes you much better. And right now the chances of that happening is slim.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[Typhoon20]

1. this is getting more and more incredible.
2. how many here comment without watching the games impartially?
3. detroit treated hedo as the third option by guarding him with prince, rasheed and hamilton taking turns.
4. most teams get the scouting report that hedo is the third option all throughout the game, especially in the fourth quarter and set their strategies accordingly.
5. claiming that rashard was anticipated as the second option prior to the season and the first few games is one thing, insisting on this anticipation as fact in the face of what is really going on is another thing which shall not be qualified here.

Dude, you make quality posts and I agree.

But for the love of god please stop numbering your thoughts.

[Typhoon20]

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If the fan thinks that Rashard is overpaid, not worth the money, just an outside threat, then they will watch the games with that bias and will only see that.

Some fans think Shard is overpaid, but still appreciate some things he does in particular games. I for one think he's overpaid but that doesn't stop me from giving props to the guy for some things he does in the game.

[karizma87]

I'm liking rashard a bit more now. no, not because he hit a game-winner. he still had one of his mediocre 10+pt single digit rebound games, but at least he's trying to mix up his game now, and not just campin outside, and even doing better D. he isn't worth half his contract IMO, but at least he looks like he's trying to be worth it, and that's all you can ask of him...


I guess rashard WAS the 2nd option of the team....like the first 5-10 games of the season

[mhectorgato]

I'm liking rashard a bit more now. no, not because he hit a game-winner. he still had one of his mediocre 10+pt single digit rebound games, but at least he's trying to mix up his game now, and not just campin outside, and even doing better D. he isn't worth half his contract IMO, but at least he looks like he's trying to be worth it, and that's all you can ask of him...


I guess rashard WAS the 2nd option of the team....like the first 5-10 games of the season

wait ... so he's being professional and caring now? Make up your melon.

[karizma87]

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wait ... so he's being professional and caring now? Make up your melon.

well, improving for sure

[mhectorgato]

well, improving for sure

[spinedoc]

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Your joking right? Hedo is our gameplan on offense? What about Dwight? I guess Stan is wrong about his own offensive scheme then. But to your credit, he did say that Dwight and Shard were options 1A and 1B so I guess that would make Hedo the second option.

[TNMagicFan]

I don't think you guys read that quote right . He was saying the Hedo gives us a third scoring option , not that he is the third option . Theres a big difference there

[spinedoc]

I don't think you guys read that quote right . He was saying the Hedo gives us a third scoring option , not that he is the third option . Theres a big difference there

Yeah, your right. It doesn't matter though, its really a technicallity anyway. We didn't bring Rashard here to be a third option though. The fact is Hedo is having his best year ever, and it doesn't matter who the second or third option is, especially when he's been playing a lot of point forward and calling his own number. Dooling is playing off the ball as a sg type, with Hedo running some offense when they are on the floor together. Stan is getting creative with Jameer out and its been looking really good. I'm even coming around on the idea of Hedo playing some sg for us next year.

[flyingvee]

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That's exactly what I'm afraid of. I'm one of the few people who see Hedo as instrumental. He's like a glue holding the team together with his all-around skills and especially his pick&roll with Dwight. He's like LBJ, playing the point forward exceptionally. You trade him for example for Heat's Haslem and things change. Defensively we become better IN the paint, offensively we get a few more boards, Shard goes to the 3 and Dwight gets some help in the paint. But now the opposing teams will close the paint and we'll have a limited number of shooting threats, aside of Shard
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Well it's close to broke. I agree that Hedo is playing great. So what do we do about Lewis then? Trade him? Anyone in his right mind will pick him up? We simply cannot continue playing Lewis at PF and expect to advance in the playoffs. Which goes back to us having made a HUGE mistake signing him. SF was the position we didn't need help at. But thats done.
So what do you suggest the team do? Continue on with both Hedo and Lewis? Maybe a 50 win team at best that doesn't make it past the first round. Reminds me of the mid-70's Bulls whole forwards were Chet Walker and Bob Love, both SF. But they had a backcourt of Norm Van Lier who was good and at SG Jerry Sloan. Us? We have Howard at C true, but our backcourt, both spots, neither would start on any other team.

So here's the question then. We have two good SF's and no PF or good PG and SG. Do we shore up PF, SG, or PG first?

[lovehoops01]

Ah, yes....Vee is back spreading the sunshine.

I agree that they need a high energy, powerful PF as an option -- and I'll let SVG decide when and how to use him.

[richboy]

Hedo the second option. Is it even close. Whenever this team needs a hoop they go right to Hedo and Dwight 2 man game. The vast majority of perimeter plays called are for Hedo. Rashard spends much of his time on the weakside on offensive plays. I here people say that teams are game planning for Rashard. Really the only game plan you need for Shard is stay on him. Hedo the creative scorer that if you don't defend can go for 25 and 7 assist. As long as there is a man on Shard he not much a factor.