Trade Iguodala

[dbodner]

by definition - is our 38 mpg SG of the future, there is no freaking way that I am paying him $57 million for 5 years.

Why?

do you have another option at SG on this roster that would be better?

Do you think somebody wouldn't take Iguodala with that contract if you ever did get a better player down the line?

Is trading Iguodala magically going to make that player available in free agency this year, and make him want to come here?

If we're already going to have a max contract offer this year and next year in free agency without moving Iguodala, is our max offer going to somehow look more appearling?

Like I've said, If an Iguodala trade nets us that #1 option directly, then I'm going to trade him. Otherwise, i don't see how that helps us.

[bebopdeluxe]

dabods:

I think that Iguodala - either directly in a S&T or in concert with other FA moves that Stefanski makes with our cap room - can get us that #1 scoring option. And I do understand that Iguodala could potentially develop those offensive skills (better handle, shooting off of screens, etc...) - but he also might not develop those skills, and I don't want to be looking in the summer of 2010 at a guy who is still owed $35+ million for three seasons that is untradable at that nut. I have had ENOUGH of those contracts.

And - again - if Stefanski can get that low-post-scoring option at PF without trading Iguodala, then I am all for keeping him (hopefully at less than $57 million, though). All that I have said is that I think that - based on what I have seen to date - I'm not comfortable (with the current roster construction) with paying Iggy $57 million to be our starting SG for the next 5 seasons...and if we can do a S&T with him to get either a scoring PF or a more traditional scoring SG, that we should consider it.

[Sixerscan]

Iguodala at less than $11 million over 3 years would not be untradable, even if you assume he doesn't get one iota better between now and that time.

[bebopdeluxe]

Sixerscan:

He may not be untradeable...but what would we get for him at that point? Another potentially underachieving player on another team who might work out better with us?

Ummm...okay.

All that I am saying is that, if we could do a S&T his summer with Iggy's contract and get that #1 option, potentially taking on more contract to make that happen (Redd, Amare, Brand, Arenas, etc...), I would consider it.

Would you?

[tk76]

Players in their 2nd contracts are ussually good deals and very tradable assets in big deals. A guy making 10M next year at age 24 is much more valuable than most of the top 50 contract guys who are making 13+ mil and are at or above age 30. Many of those guys are often better players than Iguodla, but their age and contract makes them harder to move.

Look at AI as an extreme example- he was a great player, but at 30+ years old and 20M dollars we had to nearly give him away for cap relief and a couple of late #1's (that you could normally just buy for cash.) Miller may have turned out to be a valuable peice, but at the time he was in the deal more as another trading piece or player to expire in 2 years.)

No doubt we could trade Iguodala away at age 26 to a good team who wanted to get that last peice to put them into contention and get back picks or good young players.

The tougher decisions are when its time to sign 3rd contracts (like Jamison.) Then you have a 30+ year old player who wants 12+ mil, and will be hard to trade in 2-3 years if you want to go in a different direction.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I have the plan...

Trade Iguodala in a S/T for Mike Miller (and another small piece). Miller has two years left on his deal at about 9.1 and 9.8 mil each year . When his deal runs out, it's the summer of 2010, the superstars like Wade and LeBron will be in their opt-out years. This might give us the ability to make a run at them if we can make some progress in putting a championship contender together over the next 2.5 years. If not, we can use that $$ to re-sign Miller or use it elsewhere. Basically it buys us 2 more years to try and build the team before we have to go making long term commitments to players we are not sure will "fit".

Just my fantasy...

[bebopdeluxe]

Sixer Fixer:

You are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters around here.

I like the idea.

[CPops57]

if we DON'T have a low-post threat (to collapse the D and give Iggy some space), do you honestly think that either Iggy or Thad could get the ball on the perimeter and score the ball in that situation?

I don't.

Maybe I missed something, but I can't understand why you're arguing this point so strongly.

Is there anybody here who doesn't recognize the need for a quality post presence?

I have the plan...

Trade Iguodala in a S/T for Mike Miller (and another small piece). Miller has two years left on his deal at about 9.1 and 9.8 mil each year . When his deal runs out, it's the summer of 2010, the superstars like Wade and LeBron will be in their opt-out years.

If the other piece has some real value (an additional pretty good first round pick or something), then I wouldn't necessarily be against such a move to increase the overall talent level on the team.

But I wouldn't make a deal trading Iggy and getting less talent in return just for the miniscule chance of adding Wade/LeBron.

[bebopdeluxe]

CPops:

My concern is that if we cannot get that low-post scoring threat that we all seem to agree that we need, then we need to find SOMEBODY who can put the team on their back and score the ball in crunchtime in the half-court set. On many teams, they have at least one perimeter player (either a SG or SF) who can do that...I'm not going to go through the exercise to point out who these guys are, because EVERY good team has at least one of them...

The Sixers don't.

Looking out over the next 5 years, with Iggy as the SG and Thad as the SF, I do not see EITHER of these guys having the ability to take the ball on the wing in the guts of the game and score the ball...unless we have a guy like Duncan, KG, etc...to collapse the D and get then wide open looks (the Spurs game was just a crushing example of how that works). So I see it this way - either we 1) find that low-post PF to make it easier for our wing guys to score the ball in the halfcourt, or 2) get a wing guy who can do it without that low-post threat.

And right now, I just don't see who Stefanski is going to get with our cap room to be that low-post-threat PF (to make Iggy's life easier on offense)...do you?

So...if we can do a S&T with Iggy to get a more conventional scoring SG, I think we should consider it. And even if we have to trade Iggy in a S&T to get the low-post threat PF, I still consider it, because it is much easier IMO to find a scoring SG than it is to find a low-post-threat PF...right?

[tk76]

Am I the only one who is really excited about seing Iguodala and Thad teamed together in the backcourt for the next 8+ years?

Its not the foundation of contention like having two good frontcourt players (say Amare and Sam) but it sure is not a bad start to building a nucleus of an atletic, stong defensive, high character, exciting team.

[ahwi_quacoe]

Jesus F***ing Christ ! at post above. I guess as long as we have a host of non-threatining ( character ) black guys on the team so we can have some good ole American Family entertainent you're happy . Dude this is Sports!!!!!!!!! The disney channel and nickelodeon are on another channel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a Stephen Jackson and let me have some wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tk76]

Yeah, your right, I'm wrong. I really wish we were the Knicks, it would be more interesting. I'm sure Mo misses his old Portland teams.

If you want you can take out the good character line and leave in atletic, stong defensive and exciting. Or you could just dump all of our young talented player with promise and bring in a bunch of washed up vets- except we already tried that with LB.

[ahwi_quacoe]

I'll take the Knicks over what we have right now

[Sixersftw]

thats the silliest statement i've ever heard.

[IggyTheBEaST]

I'll take the Knicks over what we have right now

I cam close to reporting this post. Get the H*ll off our board

[ProcessDoctor]

I'll take the Knicks over what we have right now

Then go to the Knicks board.

[sixersinsider]

Fast Eddie got a bandaid named.... Jamison that will cost him 3 years and 39 million dollars.... a third year team option
Jamison can avg 25 points a game in a play off series
He would be good for Thad
This would weaken the wizards by taking a major piece from them
It will come down to paying Jamison....or Mr Kristic for Cheaper Eddie will pay for Quality And will trade Dalla

[tk76]

I'll take the Knicks over what we have right now

And the Jailblazers had some winning seasons before it all fell apart.

I may be in the minority, but I don't mind watching a losing team if they are young and seem to have the potential to get good in the next few years. I like to be a fan on the ground floor.

I hate watching teams full of vets slowly decline like the Sixers a few years ago and the Eagles recently. I really hated when they broaught in bad character vets past their prime like Big Dog and CWebb.

I don't need everyone to be a choir boy- someone who has an edge is great, as long as they haven't been convicted for beating their wife like Big Dog was. I never had any problem with AI (his criminal record was a BS situation he got stuck in as a kid, and I won't fault someone for loyalty to their friends- even if it is loyalty to a fault.)

[Phillysprint]

I would agree that AI2 does not really fit in with this team going forward and its in the teams best interest to trade him now.

AI2 + smith + utahs first for Amare

that may work if it is true that they are looking to cut some money.

They can either let his contract expire, or they can sign and trade him, or they can deside to keep him... gives the suns alot of options.

I dont see us getting our anything worth the money in the FA market this summer for PFs. Will have to over pay big time. A trade is the only way to get it done.

Then we could sign someone like arenas or maybe draft a SG like Mayo

PG MIller
SG arenas or draft pick like Mayo
SF Young
PF Amare
C SAM

I think AI2 is the key to us getting the PF we need to put this team back at the top of the east.

[freshie2]

Jesus F***ing Christ ! at post above. I guess as long as we have a host of non-threatining ( character ) black guys on the team so we can have some good ole American Family entertainent you're happy . Dude this is Sports!!!!!!!!! The disney channel and nickelodeon are on another channel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a Stephen Jackson and let me have some wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephen Jackson has won at every level...great analogy. Let's see...the most successful NBA team of the decade, the Spurs, are a high character (to quote you...non threatening) team. The Patriots are a high character team, Steelers, Colts...high character.

Knicks, Raiders...losing franchises in recent history with bad character. This is sports, and sports mirrors society...character wins.