Knicks/Magic/Clippers Blockbuster!

[Cammo101]

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Pretty much. Seems like a common theme here. Only Knick players are bad...look at their records and it's proof. Of course then when you point to other players that are (or were as is the case with Lewis) on just as bad a team...there's always an excuse.

The Knicks need a franchise player. I don't think you'll find many Knick fans that don't agree with that. Problem is to believe that Rashard Lewis in any way qualifies is what is really funny.

What Rashard makes is neither here nor there, because the Knicks will never be close enough to the cap to make it matter. While Rashard is not the optimal player to build around, he is a player a team could build around and be the best player on a good team. I would love to hear a scenerio where the Knicks can get a franchise player better than Rashard, escpecially for the spare parts in this awful trade.

You say the Knicks need a franchise player, but you aren't cool with Rashard for bums. How exactly can you get a franchise player if you don't have cap space for the next 40 years or so and your most valuable trade asset is a role playing hustle guy in DLee?

[Cammo101]

Oh, and the Knicks players are seen as bums because they are. Take solice in the fact that guys like Crawford, Curry, Randolph, Marbury and the like were all seen as bums long before they became Knicks, so it has nothing to do with this Knicks bias you guys seem to blame everything on.

The fact of the matter is the Knicks are the land of misfit toys, even the decent guys have humongous untradeable flaws. The sad fact is that NY can't get anyone close to as good as Rashard, even when they wise up and realize he would be the best thing to happen to them.

But who needs him, you have QRich shooting 5 airball three pointers a night.

[#1knickfan]

Wow. You should be nominated for the Hypocrite hall of fame buddy. How is it possible to say:

What Rashard makes is neither here nor there, because the Knicks will never be close enough to the cap to make it matter.

and

How exactly can you get a franchise player if you don't have cap space for the next 40 years or so

So we shouldn't worry about the cost of aquiring Lewis because we are so far over the cap but criticize us for our inability to aquire a franchise player because we won't have cap space for a while. Wow, kinda makes ya dizzy just trying to comprehend that horribly twisted logic.

Anywayz, besides that obvious hypocrisy there I have many problems with your argument.

1. Financially the Knicks are rich enough to afford a guy like Lewis. That has never been the issue. Its just that when we try to trade a guy like Zach Randolph we always get the same nonsense about how only the Knicks would be dumb enough to take on such an overpaid turd. Meanwhile, Zach Randolph is younger, rebounds more because he plays where a guy he size should be playing and is actually owed 57 million dollars less than Lewis who somehow is a valuable trade piece.

While Rashard is not the optimal player to build around, he is a player a team could build around

Lewis is not a player to build around he is a player you bring in to build around someone else. Period.

and be the best player on a good team.

If he's your best player then your team isn't all that good.

I would love to hear a scenerio where the Knicks can get a franchise player better than Rashard

Any franchise player we can get would be a better scenario because Lewis isn't a franchise player.

escpecially for the spare parts in this awful trade.

This coming from a guy who is supporting a 120 million dollar spare part.

You say the Knicks need a franchise player, but you aren't cool with Rashard for bums.

Someone who keeps repeating that Lewis is a franchise player has no right to call anyone on the Knicks other than Jerome James a bum.

How exactly can you get a franchise player if you don't have cap space for the next 40 years or so and your most valuable trade asset is a role playing hustle guy in DLee?

And paying a guy who is 6'10 120 million dollars to sit at the perimeter and jack up shots improves our financial flexibility and our ability to make trades how???

[#1knickfan]

Oh, and the Knicks players are seen as bums because they are. Take solice in the fact that guys like Crawford, Curry, Randolph, Marbury and the like were all seen as bums long before they became Knicks, so it has nothing to do with this Knicks bias you guys seem to blame everything on.

The fact of the matter is the Knicks are the land of misfit toys, even the decent guys have humongous untradeable flaws. The sad fact is that NY can't get anyone close to as good as Rashard, even when they wise up and realize he would be the best thing to happen to them.

But who needs him, you have QRich shooting 5 airball three pointers a night.

Once again, this horsecrap is coming from a guy who is defending a 120 million dollar jump shooter. So Rashard Lewis can hit the long range shot. Big deal. What does he do that makes him 100 million dollars more valuable than a guy like Kyle Korver?

[Cammo101]

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Once again, this horsecrap is coming from a guy who is defending a 120 million dollar jump shooter. So Rashard Lewis can hit the long range shot. Big deal. What does he do that makes him 100 million dollars more valuable than a guy like Kyle Korver?

He averages 20 points per game, leads the league in threes, cares more about winning than stats, is willing to play out of position for the good of the team...

Needless to say those olast 2 mean he won't fit in in NY.

[Dwightmare]

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[#1knickfan]

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He averages 20 points per game, leads the league in threes, cares more about winning than stats, is willing to play out of position for the good of the team...

Needless to say those olast 2 mean he won't fit in in NY.

He's a player earning at more than he should (in this case at least 6 or 7 million a year) doesn't rebound worth a damned for a guy his height and couldn't keep an 80 year old woman with one leg from scoring. All those mean he would be an ideal fit for the Knicks.

[Cammo101]

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He's a player earning at more than he should (in this case at least 6 or 7 million a year) doesn't rebound worth a damned for a guy his height and couldn't keep an 80 year old woman with one leg from scoring. All those mean he would be an ideal fit for the Knicks.

You have made a believe out of me. Rashard is terrible and the Knicks are too good for him. You keep your stiffs and we will keep Rashard. Good luck in the lottery for the 6th straight year. Here's wishing you many more with that core Isiah has built in NY.

[moocow007]

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What Rashard makes is neither here nor there, because the Knicks will never be close enough to the cap to make it matter.

What the heck does that even mean?

And with Lewis, the Magic will never be close enough to the cap to make it matter either. And, before you start, the Magic still are not good enough AFTER putting all their eggs in one basket. So go and pull whatever marginalized victory you can get out of this.

While Rashard is not the optimal player to build around, he is a player a team could build around and be the best player on a good team.

Nice back peddling. But it's still not far back enough. Lewis as a Sonic "building block" did what for them?

I would love to hear a scenerio where the Knicks can get a franchise player better than Rashard, escpecially for the spare parts in this awful trade.

A little thing called the lottery. This year. Next year. If we follow your mantra that the Knicks are crap then they should be setup pretty nicely to get a top lottery pick.

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Let me guess, Rashard Lewis is better than anyone in this draft or the next one? You can't even believe that with all that energy you're putting out there on the Draft Board for this upcoming draft.

Heck, based on your analysis of potential lottery candidates the Knicks will be set if they just draft DeAndre Jordan right?

So there...by your own account...DeAndre Jordan.

You say the Knicks need a franchise player, but you aren't cool with Rashard for bums.

When did we discuss Rashard Lewis for Malik Rose and Jerome James? Funny, I thought we were talking about players that actually are playing very well recently? Cheaper players. And players that are just as one dimensional as Rashard Lewis?

How exactly can you get a franchise player if you don't have cap space for the next 40 years or so and your most valuable trade asset is a role playing hustle guy in DLee?

It's absolutely amazing for a guy that has spent so much time on the Draft Board that the Draft apparently hasn't crossed your mind. Maybe it would if you don't get so zoned into your hate of the Knicks?

[moocow007]

Oh, and the Knicks players are seen as bums because they are.

My daughter and her 9 year old friends used that same logic the other day at the Knick game. The natural extension to that comment should have been a "nyay, nyah".

Take solice in the fact that guys like Crawford, Curry, Randolph, Marbury and the like were all seen as bums long before they became Knicks, so it has nothing to do with this Knicks bias you guys seem to blame everything on.

Dude...you spew venom whenever talking about the Knicks like a Knick kicked your mom in the nuts. Stop trying to make yourself to be clean cut here.

The fact of the matter is the Knicks are the land of misfit toys, even the decent guys have humongous untradeable flaws. The sad fact is that NY can't get anyone close to as good as Rashard, even when they wise up and realize he would be the best thing to happen to them.

People that tend to use the phrase "the fact of the matter is" usually has no clue what they are talking about and are just throwing cliche's out there hoping something sticks and to distract people with nonsense. To that...great job.

But who needs him, you have QRich shooting 5 airball three pointers a night.

Oh that was a great jab. Just great. And Keith Bogans has a big head and wouldn't be able to dribble himself out of a tin box. And that and your left field comment (heck, pretty much all your anguished comments) has what to do with the silly statement about Rashard Lewis being a guy that a team can build around?

[moocow007]

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He averages 20 points per game, leads the league in threes, cares more about winning than stats, is willing to play out of position for the good of the team...

Needless to say those olast 2 mean he won't fit in in NY.

How the heck do you know? This is called just throwing stuff out there randomly and hoping people actualy believe it. But perhaps to correct you that statement probably should read something like

cares more about money than winning than stats

And Quentin Richardson must care more about winning than stats cause his stats absolutely stink. <- See I can throw random things out there.

[Cammo101]

I'm pretty much done with this rediculous thread, but for the record. What Rashard makes shouldn't matter to the Knicks, cause they are so over the cap for so long that being over by a million or 100 million is the same result.

Rashard is having an all star calliber season and the Magic have zero desire to trade him. He is everything we thought he was when we signed him. Is he somewhat overpaid, sure, but it doesn't really matter cause he was gonna put us over the cap at 8 million a year too.

The Knicks need a go to player and have no way of aquiring one. If someone offered this trade (never happening) they should jump at it. You are moving the same amount of contract to get him, just in 4 average to poor players.

[bringinhinkie]

As a Magic fan this made me throw up in my mouth a little. I don't know what's worse, the idea that someone thought Orlando would do this, or the idea that someone thinks the Knicks would not.

i wouldnt take the 24million dollar man for free, hes one dimensional, cant defend, averages pretty much the same amount of assists as turnovers

rashard lewis at 20mil/year: 40mpg 18.6ppg 5rpg 2.4apg 2to/game 44% from field 85% from line

jamal crawford at 8mill/year: 41mpg 20ppg 3rpg 4.7apg 2.8 to/game 42% from field 87% from line

what a surprise, a magic fan whos a homer!! delusional much?

[bringinhinkie]

Rashard is having an all star calliber season

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahah, sh*t you're on fire.. btw turkoglu is putting up better numbers than shard

[moocow007]

I think we've got the point there one and all...locking er up.