Trade with Dallas? Thoughts?

[itsgotime]

Here's another thing to tinker with. KVH. We have the rights to resign him. How much is that worth to you? You take Miles contract off the books this offseason. Would we be able to get Frye off your hands for say Maurice Ager? The talent swap doesn't match up, but you get quite a bit of salary dumping to sign someone this offseason.

Thoughts? The KVH deal can be signed for whatever is needed to make this type deal work.

[d-train]

There are no trade possibilities between Mavs and Blazers unless Mavs will take Miles and/or Przybilla and return only contracts that expire at the end of the 08/09 season or sooner. This proposal takes Miles but is counterproductive because it includes greater obligations in 2009 without delivering a long-term player.

[itsgotime]

Nate McMillan was really high on Green before the season started and he probably would have gotten a chance to show what he can do if the team hadn't of unexpectedly started to win games. Green's main talents are that he's a great 3pt shooter and a pesky defender. Plus, a lot of people credit Green as being the motor that made that Florida team go.

I'm pretty reluctant to throw in Jack or Webster into this deal since Portland has to take on a LOT of salary in this deal. Even with trading their worst contract in Miles, the Blazers are still taking on an extra 23 million over 2 extra years. That's not a tiny thing that can be overlooked.

Hehe, I guess I live with an owner that will go over the cap if it makes this a better team (although he's shyed away from it lately). When I look for trade ideas I mostly just need to look for talent.

[Tiggo Bitties]

We arent signing anyone this offseason so trading Frye in a salary dump isnt going to happen.

I think Terry is the type of guard we should put next to Roy but he's 30 years old with a big, long contract. Our team is perfectly setup to hit it's prime in about 4-5 years. So trading a guy like Webster for Terry would be a huge mistake IMO.

Yes we can win now but the goal is to be a contender for many years and Webster fits that plan.

[Tiggo Bitties]

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Hehe, I guess I live with an owner that will go over the cap if it makes this a better team (although he's shyed away from it lately). When I look for trade ideas I mostly just need to look for talent.

We live with an owner like that too but the franchise has a long term view. We have cap space for '09 right now and the team is built for the next 10 years, not 2 or 3. After '09 we'll be going way over the cap.

[Wizenheimer]

Nate McMillan was really high on Green before the season started and he probably would have gotten a chance to show what he can do if the team hadn't of unexpectedly started to win games. Green's main talents are that he's a great 3pt shooter and a pesky defender. Plus, a lot of people credit Green as being the motor that made that Florida team go.

I'm pretty reluctant to throw in Jack or Webster into this deal since Portland has to take on a LOT of salary in this deal. Even with trading their worst contract in Miles, the Blazers are still taking on an extra 23 million over 2 extra years. That's not a tiny thing that can be overlooked.

that's true...however, the Dallas fan 'approved' my counter-proposal which was:

webster-frye-jack-miles for terry-diop-bass-george

It probably won't meet with anyone's approval here but let me make the case.

Terry would fit at least as well as ben gordon in the backcourt with roy. Maybe better because terry actually has some PG skills. Yes, he's 30, but he's on the short side of 30 and should still have some good years in his legs.

His contract is only 700,000 more then Miles in that 2009 off-season, so it's a wash there, and terry is certainly much better then Miles.

Terry would replace Jack in the rotation and would undoubtedly be better except for occasional penetration and terry isn't too bad at that. he's certainly a great perimeter shooter.

A backcourt rotation of Roy, Blake, Terry, Fernandez, and Sergio may be real good for a few years.

Trading Frye hurts a little, especially his ability to shoot, but Diop would certainly help portland on the boards and in matching up against other frontlines.

Losing Webster is a the biggest loss, however Brandon Bass is a fairly impressive replacement, and I have a hard time believing a rotation of outlaw-jones-webster is much better, if at all to one of outlaw-jones-bass. Furthermore, Webster's outside shooting will be more then replaced by the much better shooting terry. And Bass is definitely better on the boards and in the paint then webster.

Both George and Diop have expiring contracts. George could just be cut for a roster spot.

Diop would come with full bird rights, and it's possible that portland might look at resigning him. if he was to sign for say around 4 million a year, Portland might look at trading Joel as his contract would be 2-3 million more in 2009 and Diop is 3 years younger.

And keep in mind, the 3 players departing with Miles are all 3rd year players, so they will have cap-holds totaling over 26 million in 2009 unless portland extends them or renounces them.

This trade actually IMPROVES portland's cap space margin in 2009... by several million if they only keep one of diop-bass-george.

[Spykes]

Hehe, I guess I live with an owner that will go over the cap if it makes this a better team (although he's shyed away from it lately). When I look for trade ideas I mostly just need to look for talent.

Paul Allen is richer than Mark Cuban and also is willing to go over the cap to make his team better. Going over the cap wasn't the issue here. By swapping Miles for Terry, the Blazers are essentially in the same position they would be by just keeping Miles for the next 3 years. However, that extra 2 years and 23 mil is a lot to ask any owner to take on. Especially considering Terry's age by the time he's in those final 2 expensive years.

[d-train]

Rich owners like Allen and Cuban are less willing to spend than in the past because the spending seldom translates into wins. If you look at Whitsitt's moves while he was Blazers GM, most of his best moves were not big spending moves. His big spending moves were mostly neutral or bad with the exception of the Scottie Pippen trade. And, the Pippen trade worked out only because he was still good at 38 years old, which was pure luck.

Jason Terry represents one of many of Cuban's big spending mistakes. He could've resigned Nash instead of signing Dampier and acquiring Terry.

[PDXKnight]

I'm not big on the idea of bringing Terry to portland. Martell has a lot of value right now and a lot of potential and while JET is verry good in terms of talent and would help the Blazers out right away, he's 31 I believe and wouldn't do much for our future.

Quite honestly, I believe that if the Blazers wanted Terry, they could get him pretty cheap considering his expensive deal and his age. This deal may be fair in terms of talent but I say the Blazers keep Frye and Martell unless they can acquire a nice young player or less expensive vets that'll help this team out.