Trade Iguodala

[Mik317]

jiggy08 I'm not impressed by Iggy. I'm a Philadelphia sports team supporter that is tired of mediocrity. Too many Philly sports fans are in reality easily impressed and satisfied even though may boo and hiss when they disapprove. But ultimately they'll embrace bum players like Freddie Mitchell/Kyle Korver and those guys will get a key to the city if they are viewed as hard workers or made one good memorable play.

You Sixers fans should be ashamed of your love for mediocrity. Iggy is the embodiment of mediocrity. He's not amongst the best at his position and he's not amongst the worse but since he is a Philadelphia 76er he is special to Sixer's fans who will fight you tooth and nail until you acknowledge him as something special. NO! He's mediocre...

that's your problem, Iggy isn't mediocre, he isn't great, he's just good. You want all of your players to be great when that's just a stupid dream that won't happen, sorry. Iggy is a good young player that can get better. not great........but he is good.

We have not once said he was special but when someone says he's horrible and even worse than Willie Green that's when we get annoyed. We agree that we don't want to overpay him and that if he can get us a player back that's better for us, fine but we also know that he's still a good peice to have going forward. If you don't see that then that's your problem.

[Sixercise]

jiggy08 I'm not impressed by Iggy. I'm a Philadelphia sports team supporter that is tired of mediocrity. Too many Philly sports fans are in reality easily impressed and satisfied even though may boo and hiss when they disapprove. But ultimately they'll embrace bum players like Freddie Mitchell/Kyle Korver and those guys will get a key to the city if they are viewed as hard workers or made one good memorable play.

You Sixers fans should be ashamed of your love for mediocrity. Iggy is the embodiment of mediocrity. He's not amongst the best at his position and he's not amongst the worse but since he is a Philadelphia 76er he is special to Sixer's fans who will fight you tooth and nail until you acknowledge him as something special. NO! He's mediocre...

You seriously crack me up.



For the last time, NO ONE on this board has herladed Iggy as the saviour. Stop trying to pick a fight with those who didn't call you out. It doesn't work here.

[SendEm]

He can't beat anyone off of the dribble. The league has scouted his tendancies and he is now shut down. He needs to adjust. Billions of other wing players do just fine without PF's and C's. Iggy and his fans are just using it as an excuse to downplay his lack of dribble drive ability.

[Sixercise]

Question for dbods:


Kinda off topic, but since you brought up Thad, who do you compare to him skillwise (currently)?

[bebopdeluxe]

dabods:

I guess that I am just not as comfortable as you are that we will be able to easily trade Iguodala in, say, the summer of 2010 (when he still has 3 years and $35+ million left on his contract), and get something that we really want - a quality player that fills a specific hole for us. We may be able to move the contract - we just might not like the return.

Whereas if we do something this summer, it may be a situation where we can get something that we want...and I like the higher potential of monetizing Iguodala value in a player that fills a specific need for us.

One question that I have is this - I understand that we are currently projected to have the most available cap room this summer (assuming that teams do not renounce their rights to their RFA's...yes? I will freely admit that I do not know all of the cap rules surrounding RFA's...I know that there is a "cap hold" number that counts against the cap - do you get that space if you renounce the player?). After us, are there any other teams that have meaningful room? Does another team - a team that would view Iguodala as their answer at SF, for example - have the room to make him a meaningful offer?

[tk76]

Math update...
A contract where he gets:
9M next year... and then gets raises = 5yr/53M
9.5M... 5yr/57M
10M... 5yrs/61M
11M... 5yr/66M

So, please, if you compare his salary to someone else then compare it to what that other player makes in 2008-9 and then equate it to a 5 yr contract.

If you throw around numbers like paying Iguodala 11M next year you mean a 5yr/66M contract. Maybe that is what he wants to be paid, but no one here or in the Sixers has ever suggested that is what he will be paid.

Assuming he gets 57M or less then his salary next year will be 9.5M or less (and hopefully it will be less.) Sure there are great deals at that salary, but it is not a top 50 salary- so stop suggesting people want him paid like a top 50 player.

[Mik317]

He can't beat anyone off of the dribble. The league has scouted his tendancies and he is now shut down. He needs to adjust. Billions of other wing players do just fine without PF's and C's. Iggy and his fans are just using it as an excuse to downplay his lack of dribble drive ability.

Your not listening to what has been said, Iggy last year was good. Why? because Joe Smith ( and to an extent Korver) spread the floor and set picks. That makes it easier for Iggy to do what he is good at. plus I've said that it's kinda hard to drive when the defense doesn't have to worry about any jump shooters or finishers. I know it's hard, I play ball and when you don't have any shooters or finishers and you're not that great at finishing and your forced to finish against guys who know your the best player there it's hard to do. I only imagine how hard it is against NBA players.

[SendEm]

Math update...
A contract where he gets:
9M next year... and then gets raises = 5yr/53M
9.5M... 5yr/57M
10M... 5yrs/61M
11M... 5yr/66M

So, please, if you compare his salary to someone else then compare it to what that other player makes in 2008-9 and then equate it to a 5 yr contract.

If you throw around numbers like paying Iguodala 11M next year you mean a 5yr/66M contract. Maybe that is what he wants to be paid, but no one here or in the Sixers has ever suggested that is what he will be paid.

Assuming he gets 57M or less then his salary next year will be 9.5M or less (and hopefully it will be less.) Sure there are great deals at that salary, but it is not a top 50 salary- so stop suggesting people want him paid like a top 50 player.

Boy that was a wasted post. I bet you thought that you had a great point to make didn't you? AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY OVER THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= the "$11M"


He calculated the percentages and everything. LOOOOOOOOOOOL.
You'll never get back those precious moments of your life. WASTED!

[Mik317]

very mature............his point was that Iggy isn't going to be overpaid so your point is mute.

[Sixercise]

Shoot, take Michael Redd for example. I'll bet that there are quite a few people who will bash fans who allegedly think that he'll be the saviour of the Bucks.


Face it. It's not rocket science that a good b-ball team needs all the right pieces. Apparently the Sixers, Bucks, and plenty of other teams don't have all the right pieces. The bashing oughta be focused more on the front offices, not the players; the players were simply put on these kinds of teams by those legally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) front offices.


As a Philly fan, I know all too well about those 'There's always next year' attitudes by the front offices of our sports teams. But let's face facts. Wrongs aren't just righted with simple fixes. The best thing to do is to complain about the front offices' jobs and pray that something good happens out of the blue.


With this shambles of a Sixers team, there is still bright hope for the future. We have nice upcoming players (Iggy, Young, Lou), key veterans (Miller, Evans) and millions of dollars in cap space in the coming years to make a bid for the #1 option that could be out there. All of this takes time & patience. To ramble about one player doesn't solve any problem.

[tk76]

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Boy that was a wasted post. I bet you thought that you had a great point to make didn't you? AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY OVER THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= the "$11M"


He calculated the percentages and everything. LOOOOOOOOOOOL.
You'll never get back those precious moments of your life. WASTED!

Actual I agree, responding to your posts is valuable time wasted.

I was trying to make sure other posters see how you twist numbers to support your weak argumentative arguements.

You say how Manu gets paid 9M, and then complain How Iguodla would get paid 11M (starting at 9M next year and then getting the standard raise.)

They would both get the same 9M salary- but you twist the numbers to make it seem Iguodla's salary would be more- Manu gets raises too.

That is using numbers to lie.

[tk76]

Oh, BTW, if my post draws the personal attack that gets you banned, feel free to get yourself emasculated over at philyphans forums, where the gloves can come off.

Just to be clear- I don't want you banned, just pointing out that personal attacks aren't well tolerated here.

[SendEm]

Actual I agree, responding to your posts is valuable time wasted.

I was trying to make sure other posters see how you twist numbers to support your weak argumentative arguements.

You say how Manu gets paid 9M, and then complain How Iguodla would get paid 11M (starting at 9M next year and then getting the standard raise.)

They would both get the same 9M salary- but you twist the numbers to make it seem Iguodla's salary would be more- Manu gets raises too.

That is using numbers to lie.

Here are Manu's salary numbers for the 3 seasons on his contract
9,079,811 9,905,248 10,728,130

Manu is NOT getting paid $11 million average per season or even for 1 season

[Sixersftw]

tk76 i have to step in and stop this. sending sendem to that forum that might allow sendem and "the one who's name we do not speak" to come together into a disgusting orgy of internet evil

[Mik317]

neither will Iggy...........that's the point your missing here.

[Sixersftw]

double

[tk76]

tk76 i have to step in and stop this. sending sendem to that forum that might allow sendem and "the one who's name we do not speak" to come together into a disgusting orgy of internet evil

It would be amusing for a while... and then I would use the ignore button- so everyone wins.

Plus, it would be less noise here. There are several posters raising valid questions about Iguodala- but they are being drowned out by the sideshow.

Sendem. Question for you... If Manu's contract continued for 5 years he would be making an avererage of what? Maybe 11M per year?

I guess you are right that its not worth my time. You must know this, so why even point out the obvious.

[76erinSJ]

Sendem has to realize that Manu and Howard are on teams that have max players and both of their teams are great. We on the other hand have a bottom 5 team and have no max players. Iggy has more power with his contract negotiations because of that. Sendem does not take everything into account. He says anything that comes to his mind and believes it as scientific fact. He doesnt realize what he says is his opinion and can be wrong sometimes. Whenever some one makes a valid point he just ignores it. I for one would love it if he went to the Philly.com board to join Ricky because then they can argue with each other until one of them commits suicide. I bet Sendem is Rickys brother and they argue over who is worse. Sammy is the devil, no Iggy is the devil.

[SendEm]

I seen Mo Cheeks slyly shaking his head in disgust after an isolation play for Iggy against the Pistons. Iggy pulled his usual "hot potato" passing routine where instead of driving the ball to the rim he throws an unnecessary unexpected pass to a player completely out of position as the shot clock is winding down. There are players around the NBA that would kill to be in Iggy's position and have isolation plays ran for them.

Iggy just gets shut down by a single defensive player night after night. When will he atleast for one game in his life make a coach switch defenders on him because he is outplaying someone? $11 million dollars for what? A player that would be "worth it alongside an All Star power forward and an All Star SG"? LMAO!! if you have an All Star PF and SG you don't need an $11 million dollar Iguodala. Are the Wizards in need of Iguodala? NO! In reality you would be looking to dump his dead weight salary. Iggy would average 15ppg amongst better talent. Even his strongest fans would them turn on him once they catch up to what I KNOW NOW and see that his current 19ppg average is directly a product of him not playing with any real talent so he is maxing out and OVER PRODUCING, although inefficiently. Just look at his EPM numbers I put up a few pages back. He's not an efficient player. His PRODUCTION would have to decrease in order for him to efficiently produce. That's an $11 million dollar player averaging 15 points a night. It's guaranteed to happen. If you think that I am wrong name one team in the NBA that has a 2008 All Star PF or C and a 2008 ALL Star perimeter player, where Iguodala would go to that team and average MORE than what he is averaging now.

[tk76]

You remember that waa waa waa sound in peanuts cartoons when the teacher is talking?