Garnett's rebounding

[tombattor]

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What kind of excuse is that? So how do you explain the month of Novemeber, when he is averaging 11.8 rebounds per game? Did he play with different players? Was he playing more minutes? No and No. Try again.

Son, let me explain it to you. It's called, watching the game. When you just look at the total rebounding numbers, yes, you see a drop off. However, if you've been watching the games like the rest of us, you will see what I'm talking about.

And if you wanna look at the numbers, look at his offensive rebounding, where you see no drop off at all. In most cases, on offensive glass, you are the minority among the players going for the board, so those numbers actually are actually a better indication of your rebounding prowess. In many of the defensive rebounds, as you know, there are times when you and your teammates are surrounding the ball with the other team already retreating, so you can defer to your teammates to get those.

I hope you are smart enough to understand what I'm trying to say. If you're not, just let me know and I can put you on ignore and that can be that.

[WadeKnicks2010]

Garnett is done. I agree. Trade him to NY for Zach Randolph, he can rebound.

C'mon guys, be glad about what you have.. Look at our franchise(Knicks) =(.

[return2glory]

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Son, let me explain it to you. It's called, watching the game. When you just look at the total rebounding numbers, yes, you see a drop off. However, if you've been watching the games like the rest of us, you will see what I'm talking about.

And if you wanna look at the numbers, look at his offensive rebounding, where you see no drop off at all. In most cases, on offensive glass, you are the minority among the players going for the board, so those numbers actually are actually a better indication of your rebounding prowess. In many of the defensive rebounds, as you know, there are times when you and your teammates are surrounding the ball with the other team already retreating, so you can defer to your teammates to get those.

I hope you are smart enough to understand what I'm trying to say. If you're not, just let me know and I can put you on ignore and that can be that.

First of all, don't assume ****. I've watched every game this year, including all the pre season games. Now you want to talk about the offensive glass. Well, of the top 25 rebounders in the league last year, KG was the 2nd worst in offensive rebounding. So nothing has changed on the offensive glass, he is still not a great offensive rebounder.

I look at bottom lines. KG's rebounding #'s are down. I also see guys like Jamison out battling KG for rebounds. Either way you look at it, KG is still a very good player and is not the reason we are struggling of late.

[return2glory]

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Agreed Pogue, Return2Glory has become one of the most annoying posters on RealGM. He comes across in every post like he is god's gift to basketball knowledge and everybody else knows ****. Get off your high horse.

DorfonCeltics, was there a poll you took, and I wasn't aware of it?

You are a typically poster. You try to bash anyone that doesn't agree with you. I'm sure you have more class than that.

How boring would it be if everyone agrees on everything. You have your opinion, I have mine. If I don't agree with what you are saying, than I try to make of point of why I disagree. I don't call you names.

I'm not on any high horse. I just can acknowlegde that this team isn't as great as most here think. The good news is that there are no great teams this year. We startedg out great, 29-3. Lot of people here got spoiled. We have struggled since then, going 4-4. But no one sees any concern here.

IMO, we are still a very good team. We are on pace to win 60+ games. That hasn't happened for about 20 years now. I'm grateful for that. We should contend for the championship. But, IMO, this team will not win a championship with it's current coach. I hope I'm wrong about that, I really do.

[bruno sundov]

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the anti-scientific statement of a true believer. Here is some sience for you what comes up must come down. Same with KG's rebounding he most of the time will be up. Your Bitching, that is what it is, just boring and you are nit picking.


people come to learn and understand things, through criticism/questioning and the conversations that follow.

KG's rebounding has been strangely lackluster of late and I don't think talking about that constitutes "bitching." SO what is KG going to learn from your bitching?

Also, KG is not the reason Boston is where it is. They are a team. i think you can pretty credibly make the argument that Pierce is more important to Celtics than KG but that is a different topic for a different thread.

If you were to make this arguemnt you would wrong. We lose Paul for the season we are still making a strong run through the playoffs. You lose KG for the season you are gettting bounced in the first round. Paul is a very good player and KG is great. There is a big difference. So enough with the bitching already.

[SLCceltic]

to respond to the original poster

paul, perk, baby, rondo and posey are all excellent rebounders---there are are only so many to go around

his ability as a rebounder has not in ANY way diminished, there are just so many quality rebounders on our team

if he wants a board, and he is in that space 9/10 times he will come up with it

you cant look at averages

[No1CeltsFan]

Me and my friends have talked about this issue countless times. We are flabergasted too say the least. I mean obviously KG is MVP potential. However, I don't know why his numbers on the glass are down so much. To me it's unexplainable. Of course you can see why his points and assists would go down. I mean he doesn't get as many scoring/shots and he is playing with unselfish players. However, there are the same rebound chances per game as every other season of his. I don't get it because the 2nd and 3rd rebounders are Perkins and Pierce at 5.8 and 5.5 respectively. So it's not like we got 2 players at like say 8.5 and 7.0. Last year he played 39 minutes. This year 35. Last year he was about 13 rpg. That 4 minutes should not account for 3 rpg less. I could see maybe down to 11-11.5 rpg at the least.

[sully00]

KG's rebounding is way down from the past eight seasons, even if you factor in that he is playing less minutes.

Can one of the number crunchers who study these things explain to me why this is no big deal. Until I get reassurance, I think those two or three fewer possessions per game are a real problem.

This is part of a bigger problem. KG's rebounding is way down and Ray Allen is having his worst season in a decade. I love these guys but this is not what we bargained for.

Maybe one of our numbers experts can reassure me about Ray, too.

So funny that this thread got out of hand without anyone actually doing what Elrod asked.

First off KG's rebounding is not down significantly compared to the last 8 years, his career rebounding rate is 17.2 vs the 16.8 he is posting now. It is down in comparison to the last 4 years which encompass his MVP and the 3 years his team failed to make the playoffs. So his 4 best rebounding years encompass his team's best season and 3 worst, it really isn't a very accurate indicator of anything on its own.

As a team Boston is a great defensive rebounding team (5th) and a poor offensive rebounding team (21). This is again a somewhat misleading indicator only Cleaveland is in the top 10 of offensive and defensive rebounding. Why you can't be good at both I don't know my guess is pace of play, even if you are it doesn't mean much the 2nd best combinded rebounding team is the Timberwolves I think. The Jazz are also the only team that shoots the ball well that rebounds well on the offensive end.

Efficency ratings tell the story. Boston 6th in offense, 1st on defense. Boston 3rd in eFG% and 1st eFG% allowed. More important than any of this is differential and they are still at a record setting pace.

Individually KG is certainly impacted by the fact that for the first time in his career he actually has a decent rebounder next to him at all times, whether it is Perk, Davis, Powe, or Pollard they are all 13+ rebounders and even Posey is an 11.

Why are KG, Ray, and Paul's numbers down individually? Because they have to do less. To directly relate to them crumbling due to age is as ignorant as thinking the Pats can't run the ball because they are turning you inside out with the passing game.

The focus for the rest of the regular season is not going to be to pad the 3 stars individual stats, just the opposite it will be to increase the real and apparent production of Rondo, Tony, Perk, Posey, Davis, House, Powe and whoever else is in there. Come playoff time teams will be able to take Paul or KG or Ray away, hell maybe two of them but they are going to leave one or all of these other options wide open and they have to be able to step up into that role. Maybe you have watched every game this season but maybe you are watching the wrong things. Garnett has played with an unselfishness you don't see in this league. He never fights a teamate for a rebound he knows what one more rebound can mean to Perk or Davis or what throwing down a dunk can mean for Posey. In the bigger and scarier he can make Perk look on that stat sheet the easier it will make his life in the playoffs.

Every game isn't life and death anymore. Who was the first guy to take shots down the stretch the other night against Toronto? Eddie House, did you ask yourself why?

[PPAW4Life]

I did some numbers crunching.

In the Month of January Celtic Opponents are getting 2 more rebounds when compared to Nov+Dec, all on the offensive side of the ball.

Where did this increase happen? I point to 3 games (Nets 19orb, 1st Wiz 20orb, and Sixers 18orb)

Celtic record in those 3 games: 2 wins and 1 loss

These 3 games are the significant games where the C's failed to show their true defensive rebounding prowess like they have all season.

Yet, we still came out on top in 2 out of the 3 games.

The other 3 losses to TOR, WAS and CHA we out rebounded all 3 teams, when factoring in team rebounding, yet we still lost.