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Post#121 » by That Nicka » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:42 pm

B-Scott wrote:You can't clogg up the lanes with 3 guys trying to post up

One has to back off an that should be Kwame


Thats what the **** I just said!!!! If Lamar wants to post up, he can

1) Run Kwame out
2) Set a screen for Kwame to pop out
3) From the top OR weakside, call for a screen for Kwame then go down to the post

That Nicka wrote:If he wants to post up and Kwame is there HE NEEDS TO RUN KWAME OUT OF THE POST... Not say "Well Kwame is down there so Im just gonna stand at the 3 point line"


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Post#122 » by LosKobeBryants » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:43 pm

B-Scott wrote:You can't clogg up the lanes with 3 guys trying to post up

One has to back off an that should be Kwame


If Kwame backs off wouldn't his defender just sag off and stay close to the basket since Kwame can't hit a jumpshot?
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Post#123 » by dockingsched » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:45 pm

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Many of us here myself dcash and co. Actually like LO. You seem to be under the impression that we do this for sport. However, there are obvious things that LO is not doing within in the system that he can and should be doing.


lamar is my favorite laker along with luke. i have no hate for lamar, but i do have realistic expectations and i'm not delusional about what he's capable of.
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Post#124 » by Joe Kleazy » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:55 pm

B Scott / Lamar Odom = :violin:
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Post#125 » by LLcoleJ » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:56 pm

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lamar is my favorite laker along with luke. i have no hate for lamar, but i do have realistic expectations and i'm not delusional about what he's capable of.


I know ;) . But yes, as I said we like Lamar we just want more out of him and that is not setting any outlandish expectations.
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Post#126 » by Lost Angel » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:59 pm

the reason I get at Lamar is because in my opinion, consistency is a huge part of one's game.


you can have all the talent in the world, but if your not going to be consistent then all that talent isn't doing anything for anyone.


in this stage of his career I would expect him to finally be more aggressive.


he has all the tools to be a very good weakside defender, but it's almost as if he chooses not too.

I also have no idea why he isn't in Bynum's spot in the post. With his passing and vast array of low post moves he should be fine.
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Post#127 » by TyCobb » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:26 pm

Can we rename this the I hate Lamar Odom Thread?

Mmk. I can not stand this guy. I feel bad for him, because of what happened this past offseason. But I don't think he is a good fit on this team. It's just not working. He's got so much talent, but what good is it when he doesn't use it properly? He can't make threes and when he drives to the basket it's out of control and another offensive foul. He's a great rebounder and a decent passer.

I know it's going to sound like I am high right now, but on offense, if we do keep him, I would put him as the PG. No joke. Him at point, Fish at the two, Kobe three, Turiaf four, and Kwame at the five. On defense he will guard the three, Kobe the two, and Fish the point.

In my opinion he needs to be the creator of the offense in order to be efficient and at his best. He is almost non-existent in one-on-one.

Someone call me out now. I want to debate.

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Post#128 » by Milan24 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:57 pm

TyCobb wrote:Can we rename this the I hate Lamar Odom Thread?

Mmk. I can not stand this guy. I feel bad for him, because of what happened this past offseason. But I don't think he is a good fit on this team. It's just not working. He's got so much talent, but what good is it when he doesn't use it properly? He can't make threes and when he drives to the basket it's out of control and another offensive foul. He's a great rebounder and a decent passer.

I know it's going to sound like I am high right now, but on offense, if we do keep him, I would put him as the PG. No joke. Him at point, Fish at the two, Kobe three, Turiaf four, and Kwame at the five. On defense he will guard the three, Kobe the two, and Fish the point.

In my opinion he needs to be the creator of the offense in order to be efficient and at his best. He is almost non-existent in one-on-one.

Someone call me out now. I want to debate.

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I think the only one who would disagree with you is B-Scott and it probably wouldn't be much of a debate going by his posts, he just repeats the same thing over and over. (see rest of thread)

As far as Odom as a point guard, that is an interesting perspective and might be just what the doctor ordered to get his game going. :dontknow:

BTW, just for the record, regarding the bold part above. If you are referring to the death of his son then that happened two offseasons ago, not this past offseason. If you are referring to something else, forget this post.
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Post#129 » by El Hardee » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:03 pm

We all know Odom is a 3rd scoring option at best, so why does everyone get all worked up when he isnt scoring. It is what it is. I dont understand the Lamar hate. :noway:
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Post#130 » by LosKobeBryants » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:23 pm

El Hardee wrote:We all know Odom is a 3rd scoring option at best, so why does everyone get all worked up when he isnt scoring. It is what it is. I dont understand the Lamar hate. :noway:


Because he is our second highest paid and second most talented player and we need him to step up when our true second option goes down.
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Post#131 » by TyCobb » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:42 pm

Milan24 wrote:BTW, just for the record, regarding the bold part above. If you are referring to the death of his son then that happened two offseasons ago, not this past offseason. If you are referring to something else, forget this post.


Oh okay. But yeah, that's what I was referring too. Still feel really bad about it.
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Post#132 » by J Rob » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:09 pm

Lamar's absolute biggest problem is he hasn't developed his game at all since joining the league.

I don't know that anyone could truly argue that he's any better/smarter than he was as a Clipper.

Its sad because most all-stars/superstars spend their first 4 or 5 years developing and improving their physical ability, then the following 4 or 5 years they really improve their i.q./craftiness (hence the reason veterans are generally better than young players).

Physical Ability:
-Still can't use his right hand
-Hasn't improved his shot
-Has yet to develop any moves
-Still inconsistant at finishing inside

Mental Growth:
-Commits stupid offensive fouls down the stretch
-Doesn't take advantage of mismatches
-Fails to get involved at times

People will always get upset cause Lamar's natural talent and athletecism should have made him a top 10 player in the league but it hasn't worked out that way.

If he had spent the same amount of time Kobe did training, lifting, watching tape, etc. I honestly think he would be at that elite level.

But as many of us have said, Lamar is who he is...his personality has dictated the type of player he's become.

There's no point in getting mad about everytime he underperforms cause that's who he is.

If we don't like what he brings and think we can get a better fit around Kobe and Bynum, then we should do it.

Otherwise let's sit back and wait til Bynum gets back and Lamar can slip back into his 3rd most famous Laker role.
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Post#133 » by El Hardee » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:35 pm

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Because he is our second highest paid and second most talented player and we need him to step up when our true second option goes down.
True that, I never said Lamar wasnt overpaid, but scoring just isnt his game. He does bring other things to the table though, but yes those "other things" arent deserving of a 14 mil contract.
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Post#134 » by salsaking » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:48 am

Odom playing like trash again tonight against the Mavs.
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Post#135 » by idf469 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:18 am

wow did anyone see how awesome he played today he should be put in the HOF already 4 points 2 reb 2 assits thats a quadruo duo duo dont think its ever been done before. seriously lamar lovers get of his [edit] already.
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Post#136 » by Kobay » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:24 am

Hell to the yes.
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Post#137 » by wfiles » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:43 am

Odom for Antawn Jamison
or
Odom for Artest

Which one is better?
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Post#138 » by Kobay » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:50 am

Odom for Jamison won't work as some might offer better deal or Washington's on roll so they might actually keep him try a run at the championship.

Odom for Artest is highly possible if we take one of their crappy contracts but doubt the queens would help us.
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Post#139 » by TyCobb » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:50 am

Odom for Jamison. Salary cap room FTW.
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Post#140 » by wfiles » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:58 am

Kobay wrote:Odom for Jamison won't work as some might offer better deal or Washington's on roll so they might actually keep him try a run at the championship.

Odom for Artest is highly possible if we take one of their crappy contracts but doubt the queens would help us.


Washington knows they're not going to win a championship this year. What other teams can make a better offer than Odom for Jamison? I don't see it.

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