bstein14 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Jamison is having a better season than Bosh.
No. I would go into further detail but I gotta go. But that's just wrong.
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Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Right, and his 44% from the field justify that statement.
bstein14 wrote:Butler is having a career year and Jamison joins Dwight Howard as the only two players in the East Averaging 20+ PPG and 10+ RPG.
Jamison is having a better season than Bosh.
theGreatRC wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Jose Calderon is a good pick, he plays like a top 6 PG when he starts IMO, but he doesn't average double digit assists as a starter, it's more like 9.3(Yeah, i'm picky)
Btw, you have the gayest avatar i've seen so far..
bstein14 wrote:Ok perhaps he isn't having a better season but he is definitely right there with him statisically this season.
bstein14 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Coaches do consider defense and team record in all-star voting. Has Ben Wallace been an all-star? When Detroit had a 35-5 record in 06 they had 4 all-stars. If they were 15-25 they might not have even had one.
To think otherwise is ridiculous.
Kosta wrote:1. Did you make my Caldy avatar yet?
2. That sarah chick ripped you apart in last night's game thread, I think she has a crush on you.
3. Why do his picks suck? I actually liked them. I guess Rip and Calderon are up for debate in the East. I thought the West was good, a lot of guards, but all deserving.
ImissJordan wrote:Secondly, the numbers still favor Bosh now:
Chris Bosh: 22.5 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.1 blocks, 49 per cent from the field, 85 per cent from free throw line, 50 per cent from three in 36 minutes per game.
Antawn Jamison: 21.3 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.5 blocks, 44 per cent from the field, 75 per cent from the free throw line, 34 per cent from three in 39 minutes per game.
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Player PTS REB AST STL BLK TO eFG% TS% PER
jamison,anta 21.9 10.7 1.7 0.9 0.5 1.4 .486 .528 20.1
bosh,chris 25.8 10.5 2.5 1.1 1.3 2.6 .490 .582 25.2
miller31time wrote:I don't think anyone could make their West predictions and have a majority of people agree with them.
There's a big problem out West - There are a lot of deserving point guards, who should probably make it over the other 4 positions. But then, you have the problem of too many point guards and not enough roster balance.
I do think he has the East basically down. If there should be a correction, it would be Calderon, but it's hard to turn down Jose who is having a tremendous season.
nate33 wrote:Posting the percentages that way can be misleading. Player A can have higher percentages in FG%, FT% and 3P%, but Player B can still be the more efficient scorer if a greater proportion of his attempts are 3-pointers and free throws.
Use TS%. That's a better indicator of shooting efficiency. Here are Bosh and Jamison's pace adjusted per 40 numbers with TS%:Code: Select all
Player PTS REB AST STL BLK TO eFG% TS% PER
jamison,anta 21.9 10.7 1.7 0.9 0.5 1.4 .486 .528 20.1
bosh,chris 25.8 10.5 2.5 1.1 1.3 2.6 .490 .582 25.2
They're both equally efficient from the floor, which is why their eFG% are practically identical. Bosh gets to the line a ton more which makes his TS% much better. Bosh is clearly having a better statistical season.
Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
O.k, fine. Would you share your picks with us?
Do it.
Kosta wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080126-27
EAST RESERVES
Forwards: Caron Butler, Paul Pierce
Guards: Chauncey Billups, Jose Calderon
Center: Chris Bosh
Wild Cards: Antawn Jamison, Rip Hamilton
WEST RESERVES
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer
Guards: Chris Paul, Steve Nash
Center: Marcus Camby
Wild Cards: Brandon Roy, Baron Davis
What do you think?
Iceburg Slim wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
He's nice and everything, but.....
bstein14 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Butler is having a career year and Jamison joins Dwight Howard as the only two players in the East Averaging 20+ PPG and 10+ RPG.
Jamison is having a better season than Bosh.
Schadenfreude wrote:For those struggling to understand the current fascination with Calderon, keep in mind that there's something of a mini-revolution afoot thanks to the rise of the advanced statistics, which are starting to work their way into mainstream analysis. As a result, efficiency has become the new buzzword; guys like Hollinger rely on it, and even more traditional sportswriters like Stein are starting to take note.
And Calderon is the Spanish God of Basketball Efficiency: he's not flashy, his basic stats don't shout at you, but few players touch him in the advanced metrics...he's 22nd in PER (a stat that tends to undervalue point guards to a degree...except Chris Paul, because he's a monster) and rising, 1st in pure passer rating, 1st in assist rate yet tied for 14th in the entire league in turnover rate, 15th in TS% and shooting 50/40/90.
Basically, he's the perfect player through which guys like Hollinger can advance their new way of thinking about basketball; IMO, the ABPR guys are pushing him not only because they consider him worthy, but because his inclusion would provide a major foothold for their analysis in mainstream basketball discourse. And the 'old-school' basketball journalists are starting to follow suit partially out of a fear of being left behind.
Here's a prediction: if TJ Ford does not return until late in the season, and Calderon continues his torrid pace and ups his raw statistics to the 14/10/4 neighbourhood, Hollinger will drop him an 'honourable mention' for MVP as a means of stirring the pot.
However, even though I'm a Raptors fan and a stathead, I won't be up in arms if Calderon fails to make the All-Star team...he's borderline, and there are a number of players that likely have a more legitimate claim to one of the reserve spots. Still, it's great to see him receive such widespread acclaim.