TJ to be traded during 2009 season (speculation)

[AllKnowingNBAer]

When TJ gets back, I think he'll be back to playing at his old level, but his trade value definitely diminished and if we were to trade him, we would never get a dollar for dollar return on him. Calderon is still more valuable to us right now, as a result of being virtually injury-free, so it would be a giant risk to trade Calderon (hence BC stating that they'll match any offer).

What if Roko Ukic comes over, which is looking very likely, and turns out to be that solid backup PG? In addition to this, what if keeping Calderon costs something in the range of $9 million? The likeliest person to be traded would be TJ, in this scenario.

I am definitely PRO keeping TJ AND Calderon, and I believe BC won't pull any trades until the last minute of absolute necessity. But I can only wonder which viable trading option is out there, that we would all be satisfied with?

People say we have to get some athletic swing, or some rebounding help...but I don't see who. Yea, the common hope is that Atlanta would send over one of Marvin or JSmith, but I doubt they'd do anything but a Childress/Sheldon package. Maybe Gilbert's obsession with Calderon would ignite talks for a TJ to Washington deal, but the last thing that BC would want is to make an Eastern Conference rival get better (same for Atlanta). Sending TJ to the West would be ideal in a trade, but for who? Bibby? No.

I really don't see a trade happening in the near future. A trade will only happen when TJ asks for one, after being dissatisfied as being the backup when he gets back. But I doubt he asks for one, though I do believe that he would opt-out after two seasons to sign elsewhere.

I guess this would mean that the trade window is no earlier than one year from now (in order to get TJ's value back up) yet no later (as TJ's opt-out clause after the following season, can be a value diminishing factor). I really don't see us winning in any trade for our PGs, due to our circumstances. Who could be available in that window?

Edited title to make it clear that this is speculation. -Schad.

[Meursault]

false advertising: declarations vs. speculations.

[Shak23]

this is not speculation this was more like an opinion

you fail

[omeloon]

Since I can definitely see Calderon getting $8-11 mill, BC might feel the need to trade one of the two. As low as TJ's value is, if he can play healthy for a bit, I don't think his trade value would be much lower than Calderon's over the summer. All some thought Calderon was worth was Childress + filler... TJ should definitely be able to fetch that

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I think we may be forced to suck it up and take a loss with TJ. He's got a contract and if he's proves now to not be worth it, it's going to be hard to move and get a useful piece back. But it may be best to move him anyway may be for a pick and expiring?. Not to sound cold, because I like TJ, as a player, but we can't allow his situation to jeopardize, this season and the next one, too. We need to have two good pg's. Right now, I'm not sure if TJ is in that equation, and I think he's been given plenty of time that he should soon be pressured to let us know one way or another, we can't wait. Sign a decent second PG, preferably a combo guard, to give more options, and go from there. I feel guity doing this with rdtx suspended, but here are some truths, IMO:

1. This is Jose's job to lose now. Sure you don't lose your job to being injured, - but define injury and is TJ injured now? Or would it at this point, be more a matter of losing your job because you aren't 100% sure you want it.

2. If TJ can't handle not starting even if production warrants it, we can't expect Jos

[easyflow]

We can't keep TJ until 09, I'm hoping. If we trade this season, who is possible for TJ; kwame, maggette, artest, crawford, tyrus thomas + duhon, kurt thomas, dampier, gasol (tj + bargs), swift + conley, gwallace...

[EdMar_Davis]

Link?

[Mr. Perfect]

If anything it's Jose the one that's more likely to be dealt. I love both PG's so I want the Forderon combo to stay. But if Jose's market value is really through the roof right now, and TJ's is at an all-time low. Jose would get a bigger return, despite both PG's giving similiar production. This is only if management has trust in TJ's health.

[ICEMANRC]

this is not speculation this was more like an opinion

you fail

speculation: A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.

you fail, but nice try I guess. Gotta get the couple thousands posts somehow!



I must agree with the OP. This certainly could happen. It mostly comes down to how much Jose ends up making now in the offseason. If we can get him for really cheap, say 6 mill which I feel would be a huge bargain, maybe we will keep both guards.
Might just be a bit to early for this yet because it rides on so many different factors; TJ coming back as his old self, Raptors managing to bring Roko over, Jose's salary...
This will definitely be a good thread to bring back though in November/December or thereabouts.

[WD-40]

My first concern is seeing TJ play again. As a fan, and cuz I want to raise his value for the team. It's pretty difficult to assess his value while he's sitting on the bench.

I agree, title is still misleading. I expected as much, but was hoping for an article or something.

It would be interesting seeing TJ coming off the bench. He could be the ultimate spark plug.

[Theta64]

This thread reminds me of the begining of the season, when everyone was saying Bosh is done due to his knee, trade him while we still can, lol. Now he is playing the best basketball of his career.

All you TJ doom sayers need to relax and use your time doing something else.

[raptorsfan1985]

We should trade both PGs. One for an all star swingman and the other for a big man who can rebound and defend. That way we dont need 2 Allstar level PGs.

[thebossman]

as mentioned in the "Ford should we waive him thread"... the whole thing about TJ is dictated by one thing... TJ himself. I agree with the OP of that thread that by now TJ should now if he is ready to come back or not... it should be a matter of how soon now not when.
Once he returns and plays to his abilities everything will take care of itself. If Roko is a stud, than we will get GOOD value for TJ and if not we keep them both. The whole PG situation rest on TJ. My only concern is this.. prior to TJ's injury Jose was always content with back up PG (or atleast never complained) but he had never been a starter for an extented time period. Now after tasting the sweet fruit of success at the starting PG position will he be able to go back and sit for 28 minutes a game? I dont think so.. no matter how nice a person is, you want to perform at the best of your abilities and Jose cant do that riding the pine for 24+ minutes a game.

[Griff83]

Imagine if we traded TJ for a proven sg/sf and then drafted a backup point to Calderon in the draft someone like DJ Augustine or Darren Collison. We would have the best PG tandem still in the league and have been able to add the much needed slasher in the process.

Calderon/Collison/Ukic

[WD-40]

"Ford should we waive him thread"...


Lol, I haven't see this thread yet. Why would we wave him? This must be how that rdx fellow got suspended. thats funny

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

i was reading the Daily papers and one of the articles mentioned TJ was out with a "Stinger setback". It just got me thinking- is there even a consensus on what TJ's current injury is? it seems reporters and the media do not know what it is or are informed enough that there is a consistent term used - i've seen Stinger - Head and neck - yahoo lists spinal stenosis - which is more of a condition than an injury, he's had it his whole life. So If anyone can tell me what the injury is he's out with, I'd be all ears.

[WD-40]

^^there is a good thread on the bucks board somewhere. explains the situation pretty clear with TJs injury. but at the end it still seemed folks aren't really that certain. still disagreements with how serious it is.

[thebossman]

it was a stinger at one point, but not anymore, he is 100% physically fine, but mentally is the question.. I know that he could be paralysed next time he steps on the court and has the same accident, but really he should either know "I am comming back this season, I am taking the season off I need time to think" not "I dont know when ill be back"... either make a personal timeline, "after allstar break im back" or take teh season off, cuz he is just leaving everyone in limbo. I know its not really his fault for being hurt and i wish him the best but man we either move on or dont, we need to know. Whats the point of BC acquiring say Damon and then 3 days later TJ says "Im back".. what a waste.

[Mandrake]

We should trade both PGs. One for an all star swingman and the other for a big man who can rebound and defend. That way we dont need 2 Allstar level PGs.

yeah that'd be brilliant. Then we'd have no point guard to get our guys the ball. Your so smart. I think an allstar calliber point guard is more important

ohh and to add to the discussion, I dont think the OP opinion is a bad one. Its actually a pretty good idea, but it all depends on how TJ comes back. I think what happened is likely to happen again and again. He's to small and playing against guys that are too big for it not to happen. He'd sure have a lengthy and brilliant career over in europe but i'm sure he's not into that unfortunately. But I do think Jose's our main guy, we need a back up PG that can guard as good or close to as good as TJ can.

[zong]

We should trade both PGs. One for an all star swingman and the other for a big man who can rebound and defend. That way we dont need 2 Allstar level PGs.

you're not saying we have all-star PGs are you?

homer!