Rashard's PER is the lowest it's ever been in his career

PimpORL · Post #1 » by **PimpORL** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:30 pm

If you don't count his rookie season where he only played 20 games. The last season he had an allstar PER, this season it's just average. So what I'm trying to say is that Rashard at PF isn't working out.

J-Mezzy · Post #2 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:52 pm

I agree, I don't think it's him not playing to his potential, I think he is just out of position. I really think we should bring up Carter and make Hedo the best 6th man in the league, sorrry Manu.

spinedoc · Post #3 » by **spinedoc** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:07 pm

New team, new coach, new offense, and new position. Its not that surprising, but I agree that he's playing out of position. It would be nice to go with that lineup when it favors us. The problem being, is that we have to go with that lineup every night whether it favors us or not. I suspect that we will move him back to sf next year. Right now because of the Battie injury and Hedo's play, it would be virtually impossible to make that change.

Post #4 » by **craig01** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:24 pm

An allstar per on a lousy team.

A mediocre per on a team with the #3 seed in the east.

Hmmm........#'s don't always tell all.

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of per rankings per se.

Driguez · Post #5 » by **Driguez** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:24 pm

Why people give PER so much emphasis? Maybe the fact he is playing next to Dwight and Hedo has to do with it? Anyways ill take this yr record to last yrs regardless of whatever reason, maybe Rashard has to do with it? I dunno, i just dont give these "stats" as much weight as winning.

Typhoon20 · Post #6 » by **Typhoon20** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:58 pm

Yeah shooting on a horrible 3 for 16 against Detroit has to do with him playing at the PF.

Also, the reason Shard's PER was so high at Seattle...well aside from playing his natural position..was the fact that they played on a medicore team where winning wasn't as important as Allen-Shard getting their numbers. Like driguez said, his PER is down but his team is doing better...and as far as I checked...winning > individual stats.

Post #7 » by **UCFJayBird** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:05 pm

Typhoon20 wrote:Yeah shooting on a horrible 3 for 16 against Detroit has to do with him playing at the PF.

actually that does effect him. Ever tried playing against someone bigger and stronger than you? it's not easy, and on defense it wears you put and you can't get under your shots as much as you'd like. And he's still shooting 44% on the year and 39% from 3-point range. So don't take one game and hold that as an example for how he plays all the time. Why don't I just bring up how he went 10 for 16 against Toronto?

Typhoon20 · Post #8 » by **Typhoon20** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:15 pm

22-6-2-1 is all-star material ? And 19-5-2-1 is mediocre ? LOL.

Also, compared to last year, his numbers are almost identical.
The reason his PER is a bit lower this year is the decrease in his FG%. And the reason for that decrease has little to do with him playing the PF position..especially when Shard plays the perimeter on offense, he ain't exactly playing the paint. Also his rebounding decreased by 1,5 and well..that's normal when you play with a rebounding machine in Dwight and a good rebounder in Hedo. Aside of that his numbers haven't changed at all.

Typhoon20 · Post #9 » by **Typhoon20** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:29 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why don't I just bring up how he went 10 for 16 against Toronto?

Be my guest, that'll just back up my point even more.

When you compare Shard's 07/08 ORL season where he's playing the PF to Shard's 06/07 SEA season where he played the SF, his natural position, you can see that the stats are almost identical except for the decrease in his FG%, fact.

And yes, playing against the opposing PF has it's disadvantages but it also gives a lot of advantages too. The PF has to guard Shard at the perimeter and that's a huge advantage, Not only is Shard much quicker, this way he can get to the basket easier, get fouled more frequently when he attempts (and Shard is VERY succesfull attacking the rim on the opposing PF's this year compared to any of his previous years, shame he doesn't utilize it more often). And Shard ain't exactly horrible at the PF either.
Not to mention that putting him at his natural position will make life that much more tougher for D12. It's the yin and the yang.

MagicFan3 · Post #10 » by **MagicFan3** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:30 pm

Typhoon20 wrote:22-6-2-1 is all-star material ? And 19-5-2-1 is medicore ? LOL.

Also, compared to last year, his numbers are almost identical.
The reason his PER is a bit lower this year is the decrease in his FG%. And the reason for that decrease has little to do with him playing the PF position..especially when Shard plays the perimeter on offense, he ain't exactly playing the paint. Also his rebounding decreased by 1,5 and well..that's normal when you play with a rebounding machine in Dwight and a good rebounder in Hedo. Aside of that his numbers haven't changed at all.

Agreed... really he only plays PF on defense. On offense he's just a second SF.

karizma87 · Post #11 » by **karizma87** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:41 pm

it's hedo's fault, trade him

PimpORL · Post #12 » by **PimpORL** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:43 pm

craig01 wrote:An allstar per on a lousy team.

A mediocre per on a team with the #3 seed in the east.

Hmmm........#'s don't always tell all.

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of per rankings per se.

If you're on a good team PERs actually get a lot better. Pretty much everyone on the Suns and Spurs have high PERs. Good teams usually have 1 player with a PER of around 25 a second player with almost 20 and the rest at or above average like Detroit and Boston. We have 1 player with a PER of 25(Dwight) and the rest are average including Hedo and Shard.

Pretty much every stat is the lowest its been in his career. It's harder to rebound when you're always against guys taller than you and it's harder to score when a huge aspect of your offense(posting up) is taken away from you.

PimpORL · Post #13 » by **PimpORL** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:50 pm

Typhoon20 wrote:22-6-2-1 is all-star material ? And 19-5-2-1 is mediocre ? LOL.

Also, compared to last year, his numbers are almost identical.
The reason his PER is a bit lower this year is the decrease in his FG%. And the reason for that decrease has little to do with him playing the PF position..especially when Shard plays the perimeter on offense, he ain't exactly playing the paint. Also his rebounding decreased by 1,5 and well..that's normal when you play with a rebounding machine in Dwight and a good rebounder in Hedo. Aside of that his numbers haven't changed at all.

lol Wow. You don't know what you're talking about. PER is adjusted for minutes. He's not as productive as he was. We're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league right now. And percentage wise everything is down for him. Yes, a PER of 15.5(his per now) is average. For the last 2 seasons it was 20 and 20.7.

drsd · Post #14 » by **drsd** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:25 pm

Given that Lewis is out of position, I am not at all surprised by the dip. The same happened when the Magic slid player Hill to the 2.

richboy · Post #15 » by **richboy** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:01 am

Really Rashard playing out of position has little to do with this. Its being said over and over again but in Seattle he played in similar situation. Rashard played years with Vlad who pretty much another less talented version of Hedo. Vlad guarded the PFs more but really its a 2 SF offense.
If anything playing PF should improve his PER because he should get more rebounds.

Rashard numbers are down because Rashard in Seattle was the focus and in Orlando he is a #3. In Seattle he had more plays called for him than Ray Allen. The biggest difference I see in Rashard now and Seattle is Rashard was always part of the Seattle offense. An offense that was one of the best in the NBA. Although the Sonics were a bad team some of those years they had one of the best offenses in the league. Really when Ray and Rashard were healthy they were pretty good.

Rashard in Orlando goes through stretches where you don't know he is even in the game. Not being the focus seems to effect all his activity he has on the offensive end. He isn't a great all around scorer. If you don't run plays for him then you could expect a drop in production. 18 and 5 rebounds in nearly 40 minutes is pretty average though. The fact his PER is average just reflects that. A lot of players could score 18 and 5 in 40 minutes.

MagicStarwipe · Post #16 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:56 am

I can't believe how weak he is going to the basket. You would think a 6'10, athletic guy wouldn't be so soft around there. That's what really holds him back. Along with a lack of an explosive first step.

Post #17 » by **craig01** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:02 am

Lewis is not athletic .

MagicStarwipe · Post #18 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:13 am

craig01 wrote:Lewis is not athletic .

Well, he's more athletic than Hedo. However, Hedo knows how to use his body and change of pace to get to the rack.

OrlandoMagic · Post #19 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:57 am

so since your complaining about lewis, do you think we would have a better record without lewis?? if the answer is yes , you obviously have a problem. and if the answer is no than how can you say hes not working out at pf??

The Letter J · Post #20 » by **The Letter J** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:02 am

Typhoon20 wrote:Yeah shooting on a horrible 3 for 16 against Detroit has to do with him playing at the PF.

Also, the reason Shard's PER was so high at Seattle...well aside from playing his natural position..was the fact that they played on a medicore team where winning wasn't as important as Allen-Shard getting their numbers. Like driguez said, his PER is down but his team is doing better...and as far as I checked...winning > individual stats.

Lewis was on a team that went to the 2nd round in the west and won 2 games against the Spurs. He averaged 20.5/5.5 that year. Allen and Lewis were getting their numbers that year and winning. How does your theory explain that?