How good is Al Jefferson?

theGreatRC · Post #21 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:47 am

hype_2004 wrote:He's a lot like Zach Randolph, all offense and no defense, a stat stuffer on a very bad team. Against good strong big bodied post defenders, Jefferson seems to shy away and refrains from his aggressive play this is a direct result of his lack of fleet-footedness and strength.

Right. Notice how whenever he has a big game, they win. He sure is just stuffing the stats.

Zach has the range, Al has the better footwork in the post.

YiYaoYue · Post #22 » by **YiYaoYue** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:53 am

haven't watched a single timberwolves game... been busy the one or two times they actually did show a game. (no league pass). But people need to stop comparing stats on different teams to say who is better. ESPECIALLY when the two teams have completely different talents surrounding them.. There were people saying kobe was declining because he went from 31 ppg to 27 ppg... really silly.

wolves_fan_82au · Post #23 » by **wolves_fan_82au** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:22 am

wow guessing kg must be useless to he couldnt get the wolves in the playoffs the last 2 years :nonono:

some of u people have no clue Jefferson isnt just putting numbers up on a bad team he is now helping the timberwolves win games
hes avg 20-12 u dont just avg 20-12 if your avg

cookie_rhino_5_ · Post #24 » by **cookie_rhino_5_** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:38 am

a lot of people keep bringing up the "he puts up good numbers on a bad team"...but that shouldn't be as big a factor as what teams he has put up most of his big games against...he tore up phx twice and a gsw team...al is quite a special talent and shows that he can play big against the elite teams

NetsForce · Post #25 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:42 am

I see the similarities to Zach Randolph but the difference is that Jefferson isn't a black hole... He'll pass the ball out if he has to and he's not content on settling for dumb shot after dumb shot time and time again.

the_bruce · Post #26 » by **the_bruce** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:54 am

putting numbers up on a bad team is one of the most moronic arguments of all time. It's actually much harder to put up dominant numbers on a bad team.

Post #27 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:04 am

For a post player it is, but for a wing sometimes it is easier. But the argument is often thrown out by people who do not have anything more of value to see. Kind of like the Randolph jargon.

realball · Post #28 » by **realball** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:11 am

bruceallen61 wrote:putting numbers up on a bad team is one of the most moronic arguments of all time. It's actually much harder to put up dominant numbers on a bad team.

No, that's stupid. It is quite possible. See Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Mike James, etc.

Jefferson shoots 49% from the field, is the only scorer on the team, and plays out of position, but still puts up good stats. That's why he is a good player. Their games are different, but I'd say he's a bit like Boozer. Strong rebounder, average athlete, terrific post moves, a little undersized, passes the ball, not a very good defender or shot-blocker.

OhMyBosh · Post #29 » by **OhMyBosh** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:43 am

His post game is incredibly crafty. His scoop shots are hard to block because they are so unpredictable. His body could be swinging left, but he scoops it up from the right side of his body around the arms of the defender. He doesn't have much of a power game in the post. He lays it in and uses baby hooks perfectly.

He's still very young. His future is extremely bright. Definitely one of the future dominant big men in the game.

Kosta · Post #30 » by **Kosta** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:46 am

I wasn't this sold on him when he was with Boston, but I do believe the Wolves got themselves a perennial all-star and potential franchise leading player for the next decade +.

Garnett better being those Celtics a ring or else that trade will end up looking real bad for them.

BillessuR6 · Post #31 » by **BillessuR6** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:13 am

He is one of the few young players you trade KG for.

He is the best young post up player in the league. There is noone in the league with skills like his...

wolves_fan_82au · Post #32 » by **wolves_fan_82au** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:18 am

realball wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, that's stupid. It is quite possible. See Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Mike James, etc.

Jefferson shoots 49% from the field, is the only scorer on the team, and plays out of position, but still puts up good stats. That's why he is a good player. Their games are different, but I'd say he's a bit like Boozer. Strong rebounder, average athlete, terrific post moves, a little undersized, passes the ball, not a very good defender or shot-blocker.

only scorer??????

Mccants?????????
Foye when he comes back telfair can score too as well as Gomes

Craig Smith is a scorer walker too

Triple M · Post #33 » by **Triple M** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:25 pm

"only good player on a bad team"

When people say this are they aware that it can be said at some point in the careers for good players, all-star, even elite players as much for the SAR's and Mike James?

Rasheeed!!! · Post #34 » by **Rasheeed!!!** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:44 pm

so.....does that mean that Wade is "only a good player on a bad team"

flawed logic.

Cigamodnalro · Post #35 » by **Cigamodnalro** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:46 pm

Triple M wrote:"only good player on a bad team"

When people say this are they aware that it can be said at some point in the careers for good players, all-star, even elite players as much for the SAR's and Mike James?

yeah.

Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Shaquille O'Neal, etc.

deeney0 · Post #36 » by **deeney0** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:03 pm

Al is already one of the 2 or 3 best offensive post players in this league, and he's still got things to improve upon (passing out of double teams comes to mind). And he just turned 23.

Al's defense has improved throughout the season, but he's still got a ways to go. He's been arriving where he needs to be a step or two late. He doesn't do anything to keep guards from penetrating. He struggles when you take him out to 15 feet. But he's improving.

Triple M · Post #37 » by **Triple M** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:03 pm

Rasheeed!!! wrote:so.....does that mean that Wade is "only a good player on a bad team"

flawed logic.

Of course not but that was not my point it is just that young franchise type players are label too quickly that they are just a good player on a bad team. I remember people were quick to label Chris Bosh in a similar fashion just a couple of years ago.

Post #38 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:27 pm

He really is Zach Randolph before the surgery, its funny people will deny it not just because Randolph is a Knick. Last year most people act like they just discovered Randolph and how good he can be. Now that he is a Knick he is back to being attributed to garbage.

Both players are great scorers.
Neither one plays great defense, granted Jefferson gets some blocks.

Both players are career losers thus far so all their stats are for vain. For people bringing up that Jefferson keeps bringing "IT" to elite teams like the Warriors and Suns dont you see a problem with this statement?

Jefferson is having a great year no need to knock him though.

celticfan42487 · Post #39 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:30 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:He really is Zach Randolph before the surgery, its funny people will deny it not just because Randolph is a Knick. Last year most people act like they just discovered Randolph and how good he can be. Now that he is a Knick he is back to being attributed to garbage.

Both players are great scorers.
Neither one plays great defense, granted Jefferson gets some blocks.

Both players are career losers thus far so all their stats are for vain. For people bringing up that Jefferson keeps bringing "IT" to elite teams like the Warriors and Suns dont you see a problem with this statement?

Jefferson is having a great year no need to knock him though.

You mean PORT fans before trade and NY fans after trade only?

Also I disagree with one point of material note. Randolph and AL can be described in the same way like you did. But the diffrence is Randolph can get lazy offensively as well and just settle for 15 footers. AL plays exclusively inside that range for 95% of the game every game.

Maybe AL will become a better passer out of doubles because of the extra practice maybe not. But it's significant addition. For example Zach can play with Eddy Curry because Zacy is known to stay out of the paint and shoot the J. Curry and AL would be a complete cluster **** offensively as AL would just be taken shots that he's not very good at.

Post #40 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:48 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:You mean PORT fans before trade and NY fans after trade only?

Also I disagree with one point of material note. Randolph and AL can be described in the same way like you did. But the diffrence is Randolph can get lazy offensively as well and just settle for 15 footers. AL plays exclusively inside that range for 95% of the game every game.

Maybe AL will become a better passer out of doubles because of the extra practice maybe not. But it's significant addition. For example Zach can play with Eddy Curry because Zacy is known to stay out of the paint and shoot the J. Curry and AL would be a complete cluster **** offensively as AL would just be taken shots that he's not very good at.

Since the 2003-2004 season Randolph has just about played at the same level, people just caught on. So far this season Randolph has been the most aggressive player for the Knicks. Sure he can shoot the 15 footers, but he looking to score in the paint. Zach is doing his best to play with Curry on the offensive end, he is trying to make it work.

Jefferson however who is their to take shots away from him? Thats one thing we wont know until next year really.