Snelling - "Jose Calderon is really, really good."

Post #1 » by **ranger001** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:26 pm

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I havent seen this posted yet about Calderon

But there's a line that differentiates between "good fantasy producer" and "great player," and after really watching him play, Calderon obliterates that line. Calderon is "should be mentioned among the next great point guards in the NBA" good. Calderon is "realistically talked about in same breath as 2005 classmates Chris Paul and Deron Williams" good.

Hendrix · Post #2 » by **Hendrix** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:34 pm

Found this interesting.

So, what makes Calderon so good? First of all, he can get anywhere on the court off the dribble. I watched him absolutely destroy Rajon Rondo off the dribble Wednesday night. Consistently. On pretty much every possession. Rondo is an athletic guard who is reputed to be a solid defender, but Calderon simply went by him at will all night. It got to the point that Calderon didn't even require a pick, he just moved past Rondo and into the lane whenever he wanted to. That penetration ability is key in a great point guard.

It's been said for a while that Ford can get anywhere on the court, and Calderon can't, and needs picks. Also that comparisons to Nash were off base, because Nash penetrates, and Calderon kicks it around the perimiter. The Boston game was one of the first games this year where Calderon didn't play as "safe" it seemed. I remeber Calderon use to get into the lane, but's been a lot safer this season. Looks like Calderon is capible of it like he did against the Celtics. Maybe he's been told by Mitchel to play safer this year?

azorian · Post #3 » by **azorian** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:35 pm

Thanks! I don't understand why he is always compared to Nash's style of play. Jose's style is much much less up tempo.

Stats wise maybe...

Mack11 · Post #4 » by **Mack11** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:36 pm

wow a little premature comparing Calderon to Paul and deron who are leading their teams to better records in the West. Nice praise tho

Ill Mago · Post #5 » by **Ill Mago** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:37 pm

This is purely from a fantasy perspective.

Post #6 » by **ranger001** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:39 pm

Ill Mago wrote:This is purely from a fantasy perspective.

No if you read the quote Snelling says Calderon crosses the line.

azorian · Post #7 » by **azorian** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:39 pm

Hendrix wrote:Found this interesting.

So, what makes Calderon so good? First of all, he can get anywhere on the court off the dribble. I watched him absolutely destroy Rajon Rondo off the dribble Wednesday night. Consistently. On pretty much every possession. Rondo is an athletic guard who is reputed to be a solid defender, but Calderon simply went by him at will all night. It got to the point that Calderon didn't even require a pick, he just moved past Rondo and into the lane whenever he wanted to. That penetration ability is key in a great point guard.

It's been said for a while that Ford can get anywhere on the court, and Calderon can't, and needs picks. Also that comparisons to Nash were off base, because Nash penetrates, and Calderon kicks it around the perimiter. The Boston game was one of the first games this year where Calderon didn't play as "safe" it seemed. I remember Calderon use to get into the lane, but's been a lot safer this season. Looks like Calderon is capible of it like he did against the Celtics. Maybe he's been told by Mitchel to play safer this year?

Not taking anything away from Jose because I think he's an extraordinary player but I have a feeling the writer has only watched one Raptor game all season long.

He's hopped on the bandwagon

RaptorsFan 1699 · Post #8 » by **RaptorsFan 1699** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:39 pm

Its true, your all just blind, and caught up in this tj / calderone debate.

Calderon runs this team amazing, and basketball minds see it.

Its not the fans fault they don't, they just don't know any better. They don't realize what they got.

Ill Mago · Post #9 » by **Ill Mago** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:42 pm

ranger001 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No if you read the quote Snelling says Calderon crosses the line.

Andre' Snellings wrote:
But there's a line that differentiates between "good fantasy producer" and "great player",

He's talking about fantasy, from what i can reading comprehension

barrist · Post #10 » by **barrist** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:45 pm

Ill Mago wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's talking about fantasy, from what i can reading comprehension

He's differentiating between fantasy and reality. He's saying Calderon is not just a good fantasy producer, but a great player.

Post #11 » by **ranger001** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:48 pm

Ill Mago wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
He's talking about fantasy, from what i can reading comprehension

Oh boy. You need to reread the quote I posted.

But there's a line that differentiates between "good fantasy producer" and "great player," and after really watching him play, Calderon obliterates that line.

bakafool · Post #12 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:54 pm

Ain't trying to criticize Jose or anything. Just wanted to say that Rondo is a piss poor and lazy defender. That dude doesn't move his feet and relies too much on his lucky pokes on the ball (yes, even taking account of his recent injury). If he were here in Toronto, Sam would be all over him.

Ill Mago · Post #13 » by **Ill Mago** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:54 pm

ranger001 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do you honestly think he's comparing Jose to MVP candidate Chris Paul in terms of basketball ability?

barrist · Post #14 » by **barrist** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:57 pm

Ill Mago wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do you honestly think he's comparing Jose to MVP candidate Chris Paul in terms of basketball ability?

Are you reading the article? That's what he is doing. Whether or not he is bats**t insane is another debate, but he is making the comparison.

whoknows · Post #15 » by **whoknows** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:00 pm

Not only is he good, but as I posted on a different thread, I do believe that at present he is the Raps MVP = the player Raps can not afford to miss any game (at least until TJ returns or they get a PG backup).

I realize that CB4 is the franchise guy. However, I do believe that due to lack of PG backup, JC is at present the most important player for the Raps team. This is why BC is looking to get a PG to back him up.

What was missing from the article is no mention of his positive attitude which is contagious. We have noticed a great relationship with the other players, CB4 is especially looking very happy with JC.

Ill Mago · Post #16 » by **Ill Mago** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:01 pm

[quote="barrist"]-= original quote snipped =-

You can't group CP3 with Jose like that. You just can't.

barrist · Post #17 » by **barrist** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:02 pm

Ill Mago wrote:
barrist wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You can't group CP3 with Jose like that. You just can't.

I don't think you can either, but it definitely sounds like the writer is doing just that.

Ill Mago · Post #18 » by **Ill Mago** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:05 pm

barrist wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I don't think you can either, but it definitely sounds like the writer is doing just that.

It seems to me it would only be plausible in fantasy land. It just so happens that this um, writer, wrote a fantasy article.

Meursault · Post #19 » by **Meursault** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:08 pm

it's all a conspiracy by the american media to drive up jose's price so we can't re-sign him

barrist · Post #20 » by **barrist** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:08 pm

Ill Mago wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It seems to me it would only be plausible in fantasy land. It just so happens that this um, writer, wrote a fantasy article.

Yes but notice his last sentence:

This is great news for Calderon's fantasy owners, and could be good news for the NBA as a whole because the league can always use another great floor general.

He's acknowledging that Calderon puts up the stats, but also adds that he's NOT just a fantasy player. That's the whole point of this article I believe. He starts off stating that he's ranked #3 on their Fantasy rankings, but AFTER watching him "really play", he states that Calderon is one of the next great point guards in the league. The three body paragraphs are all arguments on why he believes this.