If the Sixers had the chance to steal 1 of these 2 players

[The Sixer Fixer]

No one is saying he will be able to defend elite level PG's. Steve Nash can't defend average level PG's and he's won multiple MVP's and is considered by many to be one of the best pure PG's over the last 5+ years. There are some players who just have to accept the bad with the good and Calderon will be one of those guys. When you think about it, there's really not more than a handful of PG's who are that good on D. Again, don't compare him to Nash now, compare him to where Nash was at his experience level. He's right on par with Nash at the age of 26.

[tk76]

Unless you have a superstar like CP3, your PG will either have a bad jumper, be mediocre defender, not be a pure passer or not be a great driver.

As far as I can tell- Calderon is a below average finisher in the lane and a below average defender 9but at least is not undersized.) He is an excellent shooter, excellent at taking care off the ball, and above average creator.

If you are above average in all areas you likely are an all-star, and will not be available on the open market for 8M.

[SendEm]

I stated earlier in this very same thread that Nash's offense makes up for his defense. Calderon's offensive contributions do not have that same effect. Nash normally outperforms good PG's. Calderon usually gets outperformed by the opposing PG. Nash is the only player ever in the history of basketball to have the type of two time MVP level improvement that he has achieved at such an advanced age. To imply that Calderon will do the same thing because their stats are comparable at the same age is foolish in my opinion...Calderon has a greater chance at doing what the rest of the NBA players throughout history have done from their mid twenties on, NOT increase production dramatically.

[SendEm]

Unless you have a superstar like CP3, your PG will either have a bad jumper, be mediocre defender, not be a pure passer or not be a great driver.

That's true, BUT some starters around the league are able to offset their deficiencies by simply being a tough player/defender and clutch contributer like a Derrick Fisher. I would HATE to go to war with Calderon as my starting PG in the playoffs. He just doesn't do enough in any area for my liking. His assist total is extremely high but I've seen Detroit game plan against that and it took him out of his game completely. If Calderon were a tough player like Avery Johnson or Mark Price I would appreciate him more. His only potential improvement area is perimeter scoring. His jumpshot is automatic. He should shoot twice as much as he does.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I stated earlier in this very same thread that Nash's offense makes up for his defense. Calderon's offensive contributions do not have that same effect. Nash normally outperforms good PG's. Calderon usually gets outperformed by the opposing PG. Nash is the only player ever in the history of basketball to have the type of two time MVP level improvement that he has achieved at such an advanced age. To imply that Calderon will do the same thing because their stats are comparable at the same age is foolish in my opinion...Calderon has a greater chance at doing what the rest of the NBA players throughout history have done from their mid twenties on, NOT increase production dramatically.

So once again you have this amazing ability to predict the future and tell us who will and who won't be able to improve their games over the next 5-8 years. Come on man....you link Calderon with 2 guys NO ONE thought would be as good as they are now. Both Billups and Nash looked like average, at best, players at Calderon's age. Sure the odds that Calderon gets to Nash's level may not be that high, but you can't discount it as impossible. Calderon's BB IQ is way higher than most guys in their 3rd season. This guy is a veteran of international play. Put him on a team where he needs to score more and there's no reason to think he can't average about 17-18 PPG like Nash. I love Nash and all, but his numbers (pts/assists) are inflated by the run and gun style they play. Calderon shoots at the same %'s as Nash, so I see no reason why he can't get to 18 PPG by just taking a couple more shots per game. He's averaging about 14 PPG as a starter this year. Nash is at 17.6...that's not that big of a difference.

[SendEm]

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So once again you have this amazing ability to predict the future and tell us who will and who won't be able to improve their games over the next 5-8 years. Come on man....you link Calderon with 2 guys NO ONE thought would be as good as they are now. Both Billups and Nash looked like average, at best, players at Calderon's age. Sure the odds that Calderon gets to Nash's level may not be that high, but you can't discount it as impossible. Calderon's BB IQ is way higher than most guys in their 3rd season. This guy is a veteran of international play. Put him on a team where he needs to score more and there's no reason to think he can't average about 17-18 PPG like Nash. I love Nash and all, but his numbers (pts/assists) are inflated by the run and gun style they play. Calderon shoots at the same %'s as Nash, so I see no reason why he can't get to 18 PPG by just taking a couple more shots per game. He's averaging about 14 PPG as a starter this year. Nash is at 17.6...that's not that big of a difference.

No Calderon will not be as good as Steve Nash and I am going on record as saying so.

[tk76]

Unless Lou Williams is the answer, we need a new PG soon.

Since we have a young team without great jump shooters, it would help if that PG was a good shooter and takes care of the ball.

Since Steve Nash is getting old and not available... I would think a young pg like Calderon would fit the bill better than other players out there.

I'm sure there are several promissing players in the draft, but I'm no so eager to have a 22y/o pg lead us in 2 seasons. Our team is very young, and we probably need a steadier hand at the wheel. Unless you want to resign Miller, Calderon is probably the best good young vet pg availabel- despite his faults.

[SendEm]

I like Calderon I REALLY like his game. but I know his limitations. To have acquired him like Toronto as a free agent signing from Europe was brilliant. But now he will be overpaid and the money and increased expectations will make him a player that is a disappointment. See right now it doesn't mean much when Chauncey Billups scores 20 points and 5 assists to Calderon's 8 points and 4 assists, but once Calderon is making 9 million per season people ESPECIALLY PHILLY FANS will be ready to run him out of town.

He might be worth as much as $8 mil average. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a Kirk Hinrich contract.

[76erinSJ]

Sendem for some reason thinks we can get players like Nash or Kobe or Melo or Lebron here. He has to realize we can only hope we end up with a player like that from the draft.

[Stanford]

Does Calderon play defense? (honest question).

Nooo. He consistently gets beat by opposing point guards. It's kind of nerve-racking in the fourth quarter knowing that the other teams point guard can beat you on every possession. Oddly enough, it hasn't actually hurt the raptors in crunch time all that much.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I don't care if he becomes as good as Nash (and I don't expect it either)...our future PG making 8 mil/year DOESN'T have to be an MVP caliber player. It's OK if that guy is outplayed by elite guys like Paul, Nash, Billups. I don't know why you continue to compare Calderon, in his first extended opportunity to start to the top PG's in the game today. I have news for you, if you want a PG making 5 mil/yr or less, he's going to suck.

This is entirley hypothetical, but lets say we were talking about Chris Bosh or Aldridge. Let's say that Bosh and/or Aldridge get outplayed by Duncan. Does that make Bosh and LA guys you would not want to give an 8 mil/yr contract to because they aren't as good as Duncan or KG or Dirk? I could do what you are doing and say "Aldridge will never be close to what Duncan is...you can not play a guy like him 10 mil/yr if he can't match up with Duncan in a playoff series..yada yada yada". You can't simplify things and look at these 1 on 1 comparison where you are comapring him to the elite players of the last decade. If you want to do that, we will never sign anyone.

I'm not arguing signing Calderon or not here, just the fact that you seem to not want anyone unless they are a superstar player. The reason I don't want Calderon is because I would rather hold our cap space until we can use it for a huge upgrade at PF. I think that position is a much bigger need than PG. I would be content at resigning Miller for 2-3 years before I would entertain signing Calderon, but it's not because I don't like what Claderon offers.

[SendEm]

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Nooo. He consistently gets beat by opposing point guards. It's kind of nerve-racking in the fourth quarter knowing that the other teams point guard can beat you on every possession. Oddly enough, it hasn't actually hurt the raptors in crunch time all that much.

Wow and that's a guy from Canada saying THE SAME THING that I said...

Calderon is a GREAT back-up PG...

[SendEm]

You are comparing different positions. It is DIFFICULT to get a Big that can play so if you have Bosh instead of Duncan you are better off than being stuck with Mikki Moore as your Big. It is easier to find a player that can compete against the quality PG's BETTER than Calderon. It probably will not be displayed in statistics but having someone like a Derrick Fisher as your PG will be reflected in the W/L column and how your defense holds up against the Chris Paul's of the world.

Calderon has given all signs that he will be amongst the worst playoff defensive liabilities ever.

[tk76]

Derek Fisher is a cage old vet. Did I say he was old?

Look at the under 30 y/o pg's who have signed contracts the last few years. Guys like Alston, Mo Williams, Hinrick, James and Nelson are either overpayed journeymen/bums or guys who are outclassed by the top pg's in the league.

PG is the second toughest position to acquire (behind center.) The really good ones like CP3 and Deron won't be moving anywhere. Drafted PG's usually need 3 years to develop (if they aren't busts.)

Guys like Nash or Kidd moving by trade or free agency are rarities, and often cost you 16-20M (Nash is a bargain.)

I haven't seen enough of Calderon to know if he a great fit, but he probably is the best we can get if we want a new PG in place for next year without sacrificing other assets.

[Sixerscan]

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Wow and that's a guy from Canada saying THE SAME THING that I said...

Since when is that something to be proud of?

[SendEm]

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Since when is that something to be proud of?

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*Throws tomato at computer screen*

[SendEm]

I would still take Derrick Fisher over Calderon RIGHT NOW. I'd much rather have Fisher as the starter while developing NBA level PG's like LA is doing. Calderon is an excellent fantasy basketball player but he just gets out performed on the floor.

[76erinSJ]

If you would rather have Fisher instead of Calderon with our current roster you are truely a lost soul. Fisher is only good for a contending team that needs a clutch shooter. The Lakers have the luxury to have Fisher groom those PG's because they are a good team that has Kobe. Different situation. Who would Fisher groom to be the future PG here RIGHT NOW?

[Stanford]

Lol, who said they would rather have Fisher?

[76erinSJ]

Sendem did.