TJ to be traded during 2009 season (speculation)

ScorKreaDagger · Post #81 » by **ScorKreaDagger** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:40 am

jonny three time wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Just read through this thread and you'll find a whole bunch of people who think Ford is still a reliable player who we should build our team around. I'd assume they could see another GM willing to trade for him since he's such a great asset for the Raptors to have.

As for trading him, if he gets healthy again and gets near the level he was before the injury, BC might be able to trade him for what would be percieved as a bad contract. Two guys who come to mind for me would be Jaric or Q-Rich. Both are players who are in bad situations and might get back to the level they were once at in an environment like this. Any which way there won't be much value in return for Ford, and he doesn't have that much value for us staying here either considering how much he makes and the role he'd have if he came back.

I like and respect TJ and all, but this statement will be the downfall of everyone in this franchise - players, coaches, management, if they even believe 1/10 of this statement. No team, including ours, still has this belief.

mintsa · Post #82 » by **mintsa** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:30 pm

[quote="ScorKreaDagger"]-= original quote snipped =-

Okay. If he plays injury-free into November 2009 - 2 years from now (and within the statue of limitations for what is considered the 09' year), will you still feel the same way? I doubt your answer is as important as what other GMs would think at that time. But, another similar setback and TJ is probably gone for good.[/quote]

See....thats the point Im trying to make. Even "if" he plays healthy until the 2009 season, there is always going to be that chance of one more, being the last hit to put him out for good.

So, unless 2009 is the final year of his contract (the only reason I gm would take the risk, because he would come off the books at the end of the season). He is not going anywhere.

Reignman · Post #83 » by **Reignman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:23 pm

It's really a shame that only a few "fans" in this thread have stated that they'd like to see TJ return at 100% and stay healthy.

Now before you say that you're not a "hater" but simply being a "realist", here's a fact: Prior to this bad stretch (playoffs to the last injury on 12/11) TJ played 2 years without any issues. As a fan, I'm looking at TJ's injuries as freak accidents, as he has shown that he can play an extended period of time without having any issues.

Keep in mind, if I'm wrong and this becomes an ongoing issue, then he becomes untradeable or he retires. If I'm right, and he stays healthy, he get's back into the starting lineup by the playoffs, and we have some leverage with regards to negotiations with Jose.

In a morbid kind of way, I'm happy that it's worked out this way, because it looks like TJ will be with us for a long time.

ScorKreaDagger · Post #84 » by **ScorKreaDagger** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:09 pm

Reignman wrote::nonono: It's really a shame that only a few "fans" in this thread have stated that they'd like to see TJ return at 100% and stay healthy.

Now before you say that you're not a "hater" but simply being a "realist", here's a fact: Prior to this bad stretch (playoffs to the last injury on 12/11) TJ played 2 years without any issues. As a fan, I'm looking at TJ's injuries as freak accidents, as he has shown that he can play an extended period of time without having any issues.

Keep in mind, if I'm wrong and this becomes an ongoing issue, then he becomes untradeable or he retires. If I'm right, and he stays healthy, he get's back into the starting lineup by the playoffs, and we have some leverage with regards to negotiations with Jose.

In a morbid kind of way, I'm happy that it's worked out this way, because it looks like TJ will be with us for a long time.

I'd rather be a realist or hater by your definition than someone who's in total denial about TJs situation. There's nothing freaky about his injuries. He has a condition that makes him susceptible to these types of injuries. If that wasn't the case, guys like Wade would be dead by now with a similar condition. TJ is high risk for many more of these unless he never plays again.

Nia · Post #85 » by **Nia** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:15 pm

I love how we have Doctors and injury specialist here, acting like they know about TJ situation or what he is going through. I have never seen some impatient fans in my life.

And for all people thinking TJ is going to get trade your wrong. Secondly that is like a slap in TJ face, its like saying "Hey TJ we are going to trade ass because you got injured and you've been replaced before you can even show us that you can play again. Sorry but thats just how its got to be". Not only will it make BC look bad and secondly what GM is going to take the risk the Raps did w/o even TJ showing people he is still the same player he was. Also if you think Sam/CB won't have a say in Trading TJ then you're also wrong. They have been behind TJ since he's been traded here and I believe they wanted him here since day 1.

I think people need to stop jumping on and off the bandwagon when things are going from good to bad or bad to good. Its like some of you just became Basketball fans last year and this year. I'm even starting to think Some of you don't know anything about Basketball and are just going with the flow or learning about it now, because you think its COOL. IDK.... I feel like if and when TJ comes back, lets just say he starts playing great again and theres no slowing him down. He is playing better then before. I feel like some of you will start to Jump on the bandwagon again and start eating your own words. Just like what is happening to Bargs or even at the beginning of the Season with Bosh. You guys were so quick to cut him lose and look now whats happening you guys can't stop praising him, like he lost the talent before. I just think Raptors fans are the most impatient fans I've seen in my life always so quick to jump on and off the train.

Reignman · Post #86 » by **Reignman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:29 pm

ScorKreaDagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd rather be a realist or hater by your definition than someone who's in total denial about TJs situation. There's nothing freaky about his injuries. He has a condition that makes him susceptible to these types of injuries. If that wasn't the case, guys like Wade would be dead by now with a similar condition. TJ is high risk for many more of these unless he never plays again.

I've read your posts, you're definately a hater.

Anyway doctor, why don't you explain how TJ played 2 years, prior to the playoffs, without suffering from a stinger or anything related to his condition?

That's why I call these freak accidents.

MacDaddy · Post #87 » by **MacDaddy** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:31 pm

_venom_ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm sorry but if TJ comes back and stays healthy even for just the rest of the season and the playoffs, and plays well, there will be multiple teams lining up trying to trade for him in the offseason. I don't think you realize how coveted PGs are in the NBA, especially special ones like Calderon and Ford. Heck if you think he's untradeable no matter what now, then how was he traded to Toronto in the first place when everyone knew about his injury. Teams will want him and they'll give up plenty for him, I'm not at all worried about that.

If TJ was expiring or if he was making $3M/year instead of 8 you might be right, but neither of those is the case and NO GM is going to take on a 5'11" PG with a suspect jump shot, who has missed a large portion of his career so far to a recurring injury and makes $8M a year.

MacDaddy · Post #88 » by **MacDaddy** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:33 pm

ScorKreaDagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What if TJs contract is expiring and some GM wants to unload a pricier player with a long-term deal? What about a TJ for another oft-injured player with a similar situation at a different position? What about a 'safer' 'smarter' TJ who takes less risks with his body but is incredibly efficient and still holds some value with a short-term contract? It's more likely TJ gets traded in these circumstances than us waiting and depending on him to be our starting Pg long-term IMO.

So we would trade TJ to take back a similarly paid player with similar injury problems. Where's the win for us? Where's the win for the other team?

3inakey · Post #89 » by **3inakey** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:34 pm

Nia wrote:I love how we have Doctors and injury specialist here, acting like they know about TJ situation or what he is going through. I have never seen some unpatient fans in my life.

And for all people thinking TJ is going to get trade your wrong. Secondly that is like a slap in TJ face, its like saying "Hey TJ we are going to trade ass because you got injured and you've been replaced before you can even show us that you can play again. Sorry but thats just how its got to be". Not only will it make BC look bad and secondly what GM is going to take the risk the Raps did w/o even TJ showing people he is still the same player he was. Also if you think Sam/CB won't have a say in Trading TJ then you're also wrong. They have been behind TJ since he's been traded here and I believe they wanted him here since day 1.

I think people need to stop jumping on and off the bandwagon when things are going from good to bad or bad to good. Its like some of you just became Basketball fans last year and this year. I'm even starting to think Some of you don't know anything about Basketball and are just going with the flow or learning about it now, because you think its COOL. IDK.... I feel like if and when TJ comes back, lets just say he starts playing great again and theres no slowing him down. He is playing better then before. I feel like some of you will start to Jump on the bandwagon again and start eating your own words. Just like what is happening to Bargs or even at the beginning of the Season with Bosh. You guys were so quick to cut him lose and look now whats happening you guys can't stop praising him, like he lost the talent before. I just think Raptors fans are the most unpatiented fans I've seen in my life always so quick to jump on and off the train.

Nia, great point of view and obviously I agree...however, although I'm not the grammar police, I'm gonna have to ask about unpatiented :oops:

it looks cool and all, but i'm pretty sure you meant impatient. Don't worry about TJ, just keep note of the posters who are already throwing him under the bus and watch them slink away when he comes back at the level we hope he does.

MacDaddy · Post #90 » by **MacDaddy** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:35 pm

ScorKreaDagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd rather be a realist or hater by your definition than someone who's in total denial about TJs situation. There's nothing freaky about his injuries. He has a condition that makes him susceptible to these types of injuries. If that wasn't the case, guys like Wade would be dead by now with a similar condition. TJ is high risk for many more of these unless he never plays again.

How can you question my assertion that Ford is untradeable and then post this on the same page?

Nia · Post #91 » by **Nia** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:44 pm

3inakey wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nia, great point of view and obviously I agree...however, although I'm not the grammar police, I'm gonna have to ask about unpatiented it looks cool and all, but i'm pretty sure you meant impatient. Don't worry about TJ, just keep note of the posters who are already throwing him under the bus and watch them slink away when he comes back at the level we hope he does.

Yeah, thanks for the correction was typing that while at school during computer lab. Had little time to write it. Just fixed it.... Thanks....

Reignman · Post #92 » by **Reignman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:51 pm

MacDaddy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How can you question my assertion that Ford is untradeable and then post this on the same page?

Possibly because he's pulling random thoughts out of his ass and doesn't know what the **** he's talking about?

Read some of his posts in this thread and you'll have a better understanding of the poster.

Reignman · Post #93 » by **Reignman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:56 pm

I understand what everyone is saying and do agree that he will be at a risk, however, prior to the playoffs last season, he was able to avoid any injuries for 2 years. This is why I refer to these accidents as freak accidents, because he was able to avoid them for an extended period of time playing the same way. Does this mean he'll never suffer another stinger? Ofcourse not, but in my opinion, I also don't think he'll suffer them as frequently as he has recently.

I see people here saying that his next stinger will cause him to retire and I don't think that is true at all. IMO, this is what he is working on right now, understanding that he may get stingers in the future, but he can't let it rattle him. Everyone acts like his next stinger will paralyze him, when there's no evidence to back that up.

Professional athletes play under a certain amount of risk at all times, but they have to make the decision to play despite those risks or not play at all. I think TJ has made the decision to play, now the Raptors organization is working on getting his mind right.