OT: It's official, Kidd wants out - ESPN

Pchu · Post #1 » by **Pchu** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:19 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3219395

While initial reports had Kidd, 34, insisting on being sent to a contender, he said Monday that he realizes there are no guarantees in any scenario. At this point, he simply wants to play for a team that can compete every night and utilize his talents.

"It used to be if I got a triple-double, that was an automatic win," he said. "That's just not the case now. We tried to make this work. We've found out it doesn't. It's time for us all to move on."

No surprise here.

The_Hater · Post #2 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:27 am

How much do people think that Kidd's value has shrunk since last season? I think Thorn waited one season too long to trade him and the offers are going to be very weak.

And to think that he could have had Tony Parker from the Spurs a couple of seasons back...

HighOctane · Post #3 » by **HighOctane** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:30 am

The_Hater wrote:How much do people think that Kidd's value has shrunk since last season? I think Thorn waited one season too long to trade him and the offers are going to be very weak.

And to think that he could have had Tony Parker from the Spurs a couple of seasons back...

It's shrunk? Get Joeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy!!!

Hank_Scorpio · Post #4 » by **Hank_Scorpio** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:40 am

The deal that makes sense to me at this point is

Kidd and Josh Boone

for

Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar, and Kwame Brown

I know the Nets wanted Bynum, but that ship has sailed. This gives them a productive big in Odom, a young point guard in Farmar, cap relief in Brown, and it allows them to hold on to Sean Williams. So they get young talent to build on and veteran talent to allow them to try to keep competing in the East.

For the Lakers, they are going to have to give up some kind of prospect to get Kidd, and the likeliest candidate is Farmar. This is most definitely a play for the moment, but with Kidd, and with Bynum and Ariza likely to return for the playoffs, the Lakers would be favorites to come out of the West this season AND next season. Plus, they hold on to Javaris Crittenden and give him a chance to tutor under one of the all-time greats. And since I can't see the Lakers giving up such a promising young talent in Farmar without getting some youth back, I think they insist on Boone.

juucer · Post #5 » by **juucer** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:48 am

Sure, his value may have shrunk slightly, but I really think the Nets will get a considerable return for his services. He leads the league in triple doubles, and is still deadly on the fast break.

Contending teams desperate for a legit PG (think LAL, Cleveland, Boston, Orlando, Denver, Portland, Dallas...) would love to pick him up for a playoff run.

I expect him to go to Dallas in a package that includes Devin Harris + Diop, or LAL in a package that includes Javaris Crittenton + Kwame Brown.

Mad Balla 15 · Post #6 » by **Mad Balla 15** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:48 am

Lol doesn't he demand a trade every year? Maybe Thorn will actually grant his wish this year.

steve101 · Post #7 » by **steve101** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:49 am

What if Portland made a play for him? They got the young guys (Webster, Koponen, Fernandez, Rodriguez, 1st rd'er) and big contracts (Miles, Lafrentz, Prizz) to match up in a trade? Mabye they fast forward their rebuilding plan and go for it this year and nexy.

Kidd
Roy
Outlaw
Aldridge

Test of Wills · Post #8 » by **Test of Wills** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:50 am

I dont even think he will get traded this season. The past three years this has been going on.

Joker · Post #9 » by **Joker** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:52 am

I'd love for someone to find out what Kidd's record is prior to this season in the games that he's achieved triple doubles in.

Hank_Scorpio · Post #10 » by **Hank_Scorpio** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:52 am

I am pretty sure this is the first time he has come out and said anything publicly.

La princesa · Post #11 » by **La princesa** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:53 am

I won't be surprised if a thread called "Could we get Kidd" comes :nonono:

.

Isn't it amazing that this is kind of what happened to us when Carter wanted out.. Karma :rofl:

Pchu · Post #12 » by **Pchu** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:54 am

The_Hater wrote:How much do people think that Kidd's value has shrunk since last season? I think Thorn waited one season too long to trade him and the offers are going to be very weak.

And to think that he could have had Tony Parker from the Spurs a couple of seasons back...

Yes, it has shrunk considerably. Not that it was much to begin with. Kidd couldn't pry Bynum off the Lakers last season.

I think the deal with LA is still there. Kwame has a pretty big expiring contract, and Farmer and Crittenton would make the package attractive. But I think that's the best the Nets can do at this point.

Lanny-Barbie · Post #13 » by **Lanny-Barbie** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:01 am

This guy is OVERRATED!

NBA milestones In NBA history:

ranks 2nd in playoffs triple-doubles (11, as of May 12, 2007)[2]
ranks 3rd in regular season triple-doubles (98, as of January 25, 2008)
ranks 4th in guard rebounds (6,600, as of January 8, 2008)
ranks 5th in assist-per-game average (9.2, as of January 9, 2008)
ranks 5th in assists (9,065, as of January 11, 2008)
ranks 11th in steals (1,962, as of January 11, 2008)
ranks 12th in steal-per-game average (2.02)
ranks 14th in 3-pointers made (1,287, as of January 9, 2008)

One of only two players in NBA history to record at least 14,000 points, 6,600 rebounds, and 9,000 assists in his playing career (the other is Oscar Robertson).

In the 2002 Eastern Conference Finals vs. the Boston Celtics, Kidd averaged 17.5 points, 11.2 rebounds, and 10.2 assists per game, becoming one of only two players in NBA history to average a triple-double in a playoff series of six or more games (the other is Magic Johnson). Kidd did it again in the 2007 Eastern Conference First Round vs. the Toronto Raptors, averaging 14.0 points, 10.0 rebounds, and 13.2 assists per game.

One of only five players in NBA history to lead the league in assist-per-game average for 3 consecutive seasons (the others are Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, John Stockton and Steve Nash).

Holds New Jersey Nets franchise records for career 3-pointers (729), career assists (4,090), assists in a season (808), steals (876), triple-doubles (49), and triple-doubles in a season (12, 2006-2007).[11][12]

One of five players to average a triple-double for a playoff series, joining Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson and Fat Lever.[4]

One of only three players (Fat Lever, Wilt Chamberlain) in NBA history to post at least 15 points, 15 rebounds, and 15 assists in a playoff game.[13]

One of three players to average a triple-double for multiple playoff series, joining Magic Johnson and Wilt Chamberlain.[5]

Second player in NBA history to average a triple-double for an entire postseason. Kidd finished with averages of 14.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 10.9 assists in 12 games during the 2007 NBA playoffs.[7]

Joined Oscar Robertson who averaged 28.8 points, 11.0 assists and 11.0 rebounds in 4 games in a 3-1 first-round loss in 1962.
Jason Kidd is the first person in 10 years to obtain a triple-double for 3 games in a row with 13 points, 12 assists, and 11 rebounds (1/08/2008).

Kosta · Post #14 » by **Kosta** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:04 am

The_Hater wrote:How much do people think that Kidd's value has shrunk since last season? I think Thorn waited one season too long to trade him and the offers are going to be very weak.

And to think that he could have had Tony Parker from the Spurs a couple of seasons back...

Straight up, Thorn jeopardized the future of the Nets by keeping his treadmill team together way past their expiry date. He knew that team wasn't good enough to get past the second round, yet he was content with the playoffs and a 1st round win every year. Now he can settle for mediocre young guys and a late pick or 2 while his team hits the lottery hard the next 4-5 seasons trying to work their way back-up to respectability.

And for those who want to say Colangelo did it in only one season, not quite. He had Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, a top draft pick and a ton of flexibility to work with. If the Nets get lucky they'll tank the rest of the season and get a high lotto pick.

dagger · Post #15 » by **dagger** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:10 am

Let's call up Vince and ask him how it feels to have Kidd bail out on his team!

La princesa · Post #16 » by **La princesa** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:11 am

dagger wrote:Let's call up Vince and ask him how it feels to have Kidd bail out on his team!

LOL, where is VC these days must be crying to his momma :rofl:

Bryans_Collar · Post #17 » by **Bryans_Collar** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:14 am

I'm thinking Dallas or LA

Kosta · Post #18 » by **Kosta** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:14 am

dagger wrote:Let's call up Vince and ask him how it feels to have Kidd bail out on his team!

Can't wait to hear what he has to say about all this. He must be devastated.

vc4president · Post #19 » by **vc4president** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:20 am

Hank_Scorpio wrote:The deal that makes sense to me at this point is

Kidd and Josh Boone

for

Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar, and Kwame Brown

This trade will never happen. Things are going too well in L.A. right now and doing anything to alter team chemestry just wouldnt be smart. The Lakers are winning and Kobe is happy. To alter this team right now just wouldnt be smart at all.

biblast · Post #20 » by **biblast** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:23 am

Since if everyone is afraid of saying it, here we go:
BC we need a P/G...Put a package together for Jason Kidd to T.O !
LOL !
Allright all jokes aside, I think the only team that has a good package for now is the Lakers !