Jumping on the Nets

[RoxFan08]

Mods, please feel free to add this to the trade thread if you think it should be. I thought maybe it deserved its own thread though.


Anyways:

NJ has lost 8 in a row. They have to be feeling heat to make major moves.

SO:

Available (in theory): Kidd, Carter, Jefferson

Kidd: Great PG. Excellent defense, poor shooter, one of the best setup men in the league. 20 mill this year and next, so not small.

Carter: Basically another Tmac. Also struggles with motivation. Enormous contract. Something like 4 more years with a 5th year option.

Jefferson: Great driver, FT shooter, on a pretty reasonable contract.


I think if we can get Jefferson without giving up Tmac or Yao, we MUST go for it, even if it means gutting our team. Battier, Landry, possibly Brooks, this year's unprotected pick, a future 1st, and Snyder/Francis as needed for Cap filling for RJ and one of their bad contracts? (ie, Collins?)

Too much, too little?

Prefer Kidd or Carter?

I just think we really need a Jefferson (or Maggette, although he isn't as good and will opt out to be a FA after this season) to charge the lane, get some FTs, and open things up.


NJ's down. Now's the time to pounce.

Thoughts?

[MaxRider]

they are not going to trade Jefferson right now
he's their brightest future right now

[compucomp]

They wanted Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd. We are not getting them for our garbage. Battier is useful for a team that wants a glue guy to put them over the top, not for rebuilding.

[MaxRider]

i don't mind having VC
he's a great cutter
with Yao demanding the double teaming
he's going to get lot more layup/dunk than Wells and Head

[MaxRider]

They wanted Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd. We are not getting them for our garbage. Battier is useful for a team that wants a glue guy to put them over the top, not for rebuilding.

they wanted Bynum last year before trade deadline which Lakers declined
recent rumors saying Kidd for Jermaine and VC for Randolph

IMO if we are desperate to win in the next 2-3 years (main reason why we traded away our 8th pick draft's right)
then we need to get our hand on Kidd or VC
even trading away Battier and some of our rookies
we need to keep our opponent defense honest
we can't let them double teaming Yao and T-Mac all night long

[compucomp]

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they wanted Bynum last year before trade deadline which Lakers declined
recent rumors saying Kidd for Jermaine and VC for Randolph

IMO if we are desperate to win in the next 2-3 years (main reason why we traded away our 8th pick draft's right)
then we need to get our hand on Kidd or VC
even trading away Battier and some of our rookies
we need to keep our opponent defense honest
we can't let them double teaming Yao and T-Mac all night long

Again.... the Nets will not take our garbage. Battier is not useful to them since they need more than a glue guy to take them over the top.

[MaxRider]

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Again.... the Nets will not take our garbage. Battier is not useful to them since they need more than a glue guy to take them over the top.

a 3rd team need to be involve

[compucomp]

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a 3rd team need to be involve

So that third team will take our garbage and send expirings and draft picks to NJ, while we get VC or Kidd? Why the hell would the third team do it, when they could just trade the same package and get VC or Kidd for themselves?

It's just not going to happen unless NJ is willing to accept a (very) bad deal, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. We do not have an Andrew Bynum sitting around.

[MaxRider]

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So that third team will take our garbage and send expirings and draft picks to NJ, while we get VC or Kidd? Why the hell would the third team do it, when they could just trade the same package and get VC or Kidd for themselves?

It's just not going to happen unless NJ is willing to accept a (very) bad deal, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. We do not have an Andrew Bynum sitting around.

because some team don't want to deal with Kidd or VC's contract
it's going to be hard
especially we don't have a lot of expiring contract
we need more than a 3rd team to get this done (chance is low)

[TMACFORMVP]

I think at this point Jefferson has more value than Carter, and the guy they'd likely be building around since he's relatively younger than the other two.

[BaYBaller]

I said it in the trade thread VC's contract would cripple (even more with picks) the org for years to come, and it's all down for VC from here.

Kidd is not a great fit either as he's also a poor shooter. Defensively Alston is probably better than Kidd right now (hard to say though Kidd may not be giving the best effort nowadays).

Jefferson I don't think NJ will trade.

[moofs]

Yeah, I'm not much on any of those trades. Vince has been a cancer since somewhere around 2001-3 and his contract is bigger than Yao's. Kidd can't possibly hold out much longer at his current rate unless my steroid ponderance is actually true. We have no shot at Jefferson. Bad, bad, and worse. Right now I'm thinking it's best to let the kids develop on court and see what happens. We're gonna need more than a third scorer if our two stars don't really pick it back up again.

P.s. if you are in the third scorer camp, kidd is the guy you absolutely DO NOT want - he's as bad at shooting as Alston with MAYBE better defense (pretty sure it's been slipping), much better rebounding, and better passing, and that's only for another year or two, maybe three if he's a true freak. Remember also, his assists would drop in our system, as long as we have Yao, we aren't built to run. I'd expect his rebounds to drop some too. Maybe looking at 9-13ppg, 5-7 rpg, 6-8.5 apg, 1 stl.

Also we couldn't afford him at 20 mil per for 2 years so it's BEYOND ridiculous anyway.

Only one we could possibly get is Vince, and that's a major negative, Houston. I bet you we could offer just about anything featuring Battier, Bonzi/Snyder/Francis/Head, and one of our rookies and the Nets would probably jump at it barring a better offer from some other idiot GM.

[bubba]

no way in hell we give up landry, brooks, battier, and 2 picks for jefferson? dont even mention another bad contract on their side and us giving up james or someone. jefferson is the one guy they wanna keep out of the 3. that is also giving up way too much for jefferson and collins. landry and brooks, i think, are future starters on this team. survey says....X!!!!!!!!!!!

[King Roosk]

I'll let the thread stand as the Nets have openly announced they're open to trade talks.

Compucomp, a while ago the Nets probably would not take garbage for Kidd or VC. However, now Kidd's value is declining (because they announced they want to trade him). Also, the franchise will soon move to Brooklyn and they want to begin the rebuilding process. I've read several places that it might be possible to acquire Kidd for expirings and some draft picks.

[A.J.]

we really dont need kidd, the nets will most likely will ask for t-mac so they can trade either V.C. or jefferson for a big and a PG, and plus kidd is an uptempo pg and we dont really have the players to play uptempo to go along with kidd

[King Roosk]

we really dont need kidd, the nets will most likely will ask for t-mac so they can trade either V.C. or jefferson for a big and a PG, and plus kidd is an uptempo pg and we dont really have the players to play uptempo to go along with kidd

#1- NJ would probably not ask for Mcgrady

#2- Kidd isn't a Steve Nash type of player. He knows how to work in an offense, has amazing basketball IQ, and is a great defender at his position. Jason Kidd would do our team lots of good, although I'd still take a guy like Jason Terry.

[A.J.]

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#1- NJ would probably not ask for Mcgrady

#2- Kidd isn't a Steve Nash type of player. He knows how to work in an offense, has amazing basketball IQ, and is a great defender at his position. Jason Kidd would do our team lots of good, although I'd still take a guy like Jason Terry.

jason terry? you really think so?

#1: the mavs will not trade terry within the division

but at the same time terry has something we need and thats a 3 point perimeter shooter.

id much perfer Mike Bibby, im being a homer when i say this btw, lol

[King Roosk]

There's no way in hell that Dallas would deal Terry to us, but I think Jason Terry would be the perfect fit. Bibby can get streaky, but Terry is always hot...always.

[MaxRider]

There's no way in hell that Dallas would deal Terry to us, but I think Jason Terry would be the perfect fit. Bibby can get streaky, but Terry is always hot...always.

the guy is always hot against us
i gave him the nickname of Rockets Killer

[A.J.]

There's no way in hell that Dallas would deal Terry to us, but I think Jason Terry would be the perfect fit. Bibby can get streaky, but Terry is always hot...always.

true, but im always scared when a player that has killed us in the pat comes to our team and sucks, lol