kidd wants out of jersey

[lskware]

maybe kidd wants to ride d-ho to a championship so desperately that he would seek a buy out and come here to play for an MLE this offseason -- i know this may sound funny but it's probably more realistic than he comes over right now. we basically have nothing that would interest NJ, other than mickey mouse, but that's howard's bff and they're going nowhere.

[Idunkonyou2]

I don't know who is expiring but we DESPERATELY need Kidd to run this team. We would go undefeated for the remainder of the season with him.

Basically the Magic could give the Nets Reddick, Arroyo, Dooling, Augustine, Garrity, Gortat and Bogans for Kidd and probably filler like Armstrong or Williams. I'm sure the Magic would throw in a future 1st rounder as well.

Personally I think the Nets would do this because it would give them a massive amount of cap space next offseason to spend on a major FA. I also think they will try and move Carter during the draft, possibly to a contending team for more youth in return, sort of what the Timberwolves did with KG.

The Magic lose depth, but gain an allstar and arguably the best pass first PG in the NBA. They can sign some fillers for the vets minimum who want to go for a championship.

Of course we know Otis won't take a chance like this so I'd say we can forget it.

[pr0wler]

PG - Kidd/Nelson
SG - Evans/Bogans
SF - Turkoglu/Lewis
PF - Lewis/Cook
C - Howard/Foyle

Championship potential there.

[lovehoops01]

Even if you could get New Jersey to accept this, to get in salary-cap rule range on Kidd's contract on an expirings deal, you'd have to trade more. You would have to trade Carlos, Keyon, Augustine, Redick, Garrity, Jameer, Evans and Gortat. Or leave out Redick or Jameer and include Bogans. Which means you would have to find seven more minimum-wage players for your roster after the trade. Or you could keep Jameer (or Redick) and Bogans (or Carlos or Keyon) and trade Hedo instead. Which means you would have to find six more minimum-wage players. So you're trading away half or more of your roster. God forbid that the knee that he's already had microfracture surgery on gives him more trouble. And oh yeah, according to The Record in Hackensack, N.J. Kidd also is looking for a 2-year extension (not a new contract, an extension) to his $20 million-plus deal. Which means he would start the last season on his contract at 38 years old.

[NetsForce]

The one deal I tried in the trade checker that makes some sense is:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

*Battie is really a sticking point though since the Nets have absolutely no need for him and he's on the hook for 2 more years after this one. For a 3rd string big man at best the Nets would be overpaying him big time...

I'm sure the Nets would love to get a pick of some sort in this deal as well.

Nelson could be switched for Arroyo depending on what the Nets are looking for but I would imagine that they'd rather take Nelson since he has further trade value down the line if Marcus Williams develops into the point guard Nets management thinks he will.

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**Note Allen had to be thrown in from the Nets standpoint because they only have 2 free roster spots right now (so if they take in 5 players the need to trade out 3 players so the 5 incoming players fit on their roster).

***Another idea that just popped into my head and that would probably increase the Nets' interests would be if Nelson and possibly Battie were sent to a third team and the Nets got someone else instead of them (who I have yet to come up with)...

[lovehoops01]

The one deal I tried in the trade checker that makes some sense is:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

*Battie is really a sticking point though since the Nets have absolutely no need for him and he's on the hook for 2 more years after this one. For a 3rd string big man at best the Nets would be overpaying him big time...

I'm sure the Nets would love to get a pick of some sort in this deal as well.

Nelson could be switched for Arroyo depending on what the Nets are looking for but I would imagine that they'd rather take Nelson since he has further trade value down the line if Marcus Williams develops into the point guard Nets management thinks he will.

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**Note Allen had to be thrown in from the Nets standpoint because they only have 2 free roster spots right now (so if they take in 5 players the need to trade out 3 players so the 5 incoming players fit on their roster).

***Another idea that just popped into my head and that would probably increase the Nets' interests would be if Nelson and possibly Battie were sent to a third team and the Nets got someone else instead of them (who I have yet to come up with)...

I'd say that is a sticking point for the Magic, too, (Battie) since that would leave them with Dwight, Lewis and Foyle as their entire power rotation for next season, too. And the Magic would have to have a backup point for next season, too. You wouldn't have 2 MLE's to go after a point and a power guy (and you might not get a lot for the MLE at that spot either).

[Bensational]

Even if you could get New Jersey to accept this, to get in salary-cap rule range on Kidd's contract on an expirings deal, you'd have to trade more. You would have to trade Carlos, Keyon, Augustine, Redick, Garrity, Jameer, Evans and Gortat. Or leave out Redick or Jameer and include Bogans. Which means you would have to find seven more minimum-wage players for your roster after the trade. Or you could keep Jameer (or Redick) and Bogans (or Carlos or Keyon) and trade Hedo instead. Which means you would have to find six more minimum-wage players. So you're trading away half or more of your roster. God forbid that the knee that he's already had microfracture surgery on gives him more trouble. And oh yeah, according to The Record in Hackensack, N.J. Kidd also is looking for a 2-year extension (not a new contract, an extension) to his $20 million-plus deal. Which means he would start the last season on his contract at 38 years old.

no you wouldn't. Arroyo, Dooling, PG, JJ + Kebo is enough to get within the 20% trade rule, and even has room to bring back Armstrong + Allen to fill in depth. well..... this is according to ESPN's trade checker. lol.

throw in a Fran + a future 1st. and....well.... it's a deal that'll give them cap space. let's see if there's anything better on the table though.

i still find it nearly impossible to consider the deal going through because Otis seems big on team and chemistry and wouldn't want to disrupt it by pulling out 3 primary backcourt players.

[Jimmy103]

Kidd-Lewis-Howard would be a terrifying trio. Could it beat the Big Three? It'd be an awesome Eastern Conference Championship.

[lovehoops01]

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no you wouldn't. Arroyo, Dooling, PG, JJ + Kebo is enough to get within the 20% trade rule, and even has room to bring back Armstrong + Allen to fill in depth. well..... this is according to ESPN's trade checker. lol.

throw in a Fran + a future 1st. and....well.... it's a deal that'll give them cap space. let's see if there's anything better on the table though.

i still find it nearly impossible to consider the deal going through because Otis seems big on team and chemistry and wouldn't want to disrupt it by pulling out 3 primary backcourt players.

Well, I said you could throw in Bogans instead of Jameer and Evans and it would come out about the same. So that saves you one roster spot. But those guys you list have salaries totaling $16.1 million (Arroyo $4 mil, Dooling $3.6 mil, PG, $3.8 mil, J.J. $2 mil and Kebo $2.7 mil), and Jason Kidd makes $19.73 million so if you keep Jameer and Evans instead of Bogans, you could do it. (20% of $19.73 million is $3.946 million, and the salaries you propose above total $3.63 million less than Kidd's.) But you've only got maybet $250,000 of playing room there. I see no way how you can bring back Armstrong ($1.2 mil) and Allen ($964,000), too. That's still leaves you with four minimum-salary guys to sign. And Augustine and Gortat are pretty much minimum-salary guys who don't get any PT now anyway so they really don't make a huge addition if you keep them. Their salaries might reach $1.25 million total.

[NetsForce]

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I'd say that is a sticking point for the Magic, too, (Battie) since that would leave them with Dwight, Lewis and Foyle as their entire power rotation for next season, too. And the Magic would have to have a backup point for next season, too. You wouldn't have 2 MLE's to go after a point and a power guy (and you might not get a lot for the MLE at that spot either).

I figure Arroyo could be resigned, I know he's not everyone's favorite player (I'm not a big fan of him actually), but as a backup - especially a backup in the scoring mold - he's pretty serviceable.

You brought up a good point about the power rotation though, I'll see if I can work out a 3-way trade that lands the Magic a backup power player...

[Optimus_Steel]

The one deal I tried in the trade checker that makes some sense is:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

*Battie is really a sticking point though since the Nets have absolutely no need for him and he's on the hook for 2 more years after this one. For a 3rd string big man at best the Nets would be overpaying him big time...

I'm sure the Nets would love to get a pick of some sort in this deal as well.

Nelson could be switched for Arroyo depending on what the Nets are looking for but I would imagine that they'd rather take Nelson since he has further trade value down the line if Marcus Williams develops into the point guard Nets management thinks he will.

EDIT:
**Note Allen had to be thrown in from the Nets standpoint because they only have 2 free roster spots right now (so if they take in 5 players the need to trade out 3 players so the 5 incoming players fit on their roster).

***Another idea that just popped into my head and that would probably increase the Nets' interests would be if Nelson and possibly Battie were sent to a third team and the Nets got someone else instead of them (who I have yet to come up with)...

Not that i think Battie is the greatest, but he is certiantly not a 3rd stringer. He is a very good backup frontcourt player.

[Max Power]

I'd love to have Kidd play here, and I'd be willing to give up a fair amount to get him, but not our entire team. I'd go with something like Arroyo, Bogans, JJ, a protected first rounder and Pat Garrity for him. Of course I'm not sure if thats gonna work with the cap, but in a perfect world I would pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat....and I like Keith Bogans. Rest of those hacks can go.

[Gerhalt11]

I've been reading different accounts on this. Did Kidd go public with the trade request? Or was it a "sources close to the situation" sort of thing?

[ProfX]

Its public... The situation is scary..eventually we would have to buy him out..I think he has at best three good seasons left

[TNMagicFan]

I've been reading different accounts on this. Did Kidd go public with the trade request? Or was it a "sources close to the situation" sort of thing?

According to ESPN he confirmed it was time for him to move on

[NetsForce]

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Not that i think Battie is the greatest, but he is certiantly not a 3rd stringer. He is a very good backup frontcourt player.

Whoops, what I meant was that he would only be getting limited playing time because I would imagine that Sean Williams and Josh Boone would be being fore-fed as many minutes as they could handle, throw in Frank's love for Collins and penchant for playing Nachbar at the four and Battie would be either the 2nd or 3rd big off the bench.

*That's not even considering how the lineup would look with Krstic back in the mix.