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[cucad8]

Is it the Mavericks that still have the rights to Keith Van Horn? I remember seeing his name mentioned in a few proposals, but basically, they could sign him and sign and trade him to NJ as an expiring to make up for any salary difference. Really, no reason for KVH to not go along with it if he isn't going to play anyways. Get some extra cash for basically nothing. Just a thought though, not too sure how that works, just have seen mention of him and PJ Brown both being used in this way, as a big expiring contract.

[d-train]

And, don't forget about all Paul Allen's money. Deals can be structured so Allen can throw in lots of money.

[Spykes]

Is it the Mavericks that still have the rights to Keith Van Horn? I remember seeing his name mentioned in a few proposals, but basically, they could sign him and sign and trade him to NJ as an expiring to make up for any salary difference. Really, no reason for KVH to not go along with it if he isn't going to play anyways. Get some extra cash for basically nothing. Just a thought though, not too sure how that works, just have seen mention of him and PJ Brown both being used in this way, as a big expiring contract.

This is something I keep hearing about in articles or on this board, but I never actually see it happen. The whole S&T to match up salaries is something that sounds like a really easy way to make some trades happen, but you never see teams actually doing it. There has to be a reason for that.

[SoHo]

That's some good analysis Spykes and I've been thinking about the same things, there are very few teams that can put together a package on par with ours.

The real threats I see are LA and Cleveland. Part of this thing is that Kidd wants to go to a contender and both of those places are probably more appealing than Portland. Either place if you add Kidd that team is looking like a real threat to win it all, but if he comes to Portland he will likely wait a while, and at what age is he too old to ride our pine for a ring?

The reason I think Portland can outbid LA is that, as you said, the Radmanovic contract is terrible, and I would think that our youth is more appealing than Farmar or Crittenton. That leaves them with three young PGs which is nice if you don't have Kidd anymore, but I would imagine a more diverse group like we can offer would be more welcome.

Cleveland has the contracts to fit, but they don't really have any good looking young players. Maybe they send Gibson, but other than him you're looking at Gooden, Pavlovic, or maybe Shannon Brown. Certainly not bad, but you also do have to consider that it will be a 5-1 meaning you have to buyout contracts like Snow, Jones, or Marshall.

In short, if Portland really wanted to make a pass at Jason Kidd we would be in a pretty good spot to do it. They'd probably even consider a package without Webster, and don't forget we have some high 2nd rounders and international prospects like Freeland and Koponnen we can add in that don't take roster spots.

[DeezXXnutZ]

I saw this deal on the trade board last night and I have to admit I liked it a lot..It seems like Kidd is a perfect fit to me contract wise and player wise..Kidd has been in the league 13 years I believe and has a lot of veteran experience and leadership that I think this club could use..Roy would benefit most from Kidd in my opinion..Not that Roy needs a lot of help but the things Kidd can teach Roy can only learn from time and not from practicing longer..

Another thing thats great about Kidd is his contract..It is over at the end of next season and will open up even more money in free agency..

Plus I'm a sucker for fast breaks and Alley oops.....

[trentsdad]

Done, do it now

Raef has no value, Jack is replaced by an all star, Martel is tough, but with Jones to take some of his minutes......

I repeat , do the deal now!

[Spykes]

Sounds like Kidd isn't going to insist on being sent to a contender. He just wants to goto a team that can win night in and night out...

While initial reports had Kidd, 34, insisting on being sent to a contender, he said Monday that he realizes there are no guarantees in any scenario. At this point, he simply wants to play for a team that can compete every night and utilize his talents.

The 2 teams specifically mentioned in the article was Dallas and Denver.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Oh, how I'd hate to see the Nuggets get Kidd. He'd transform that team overnight, IMO.

[mojomarc]

Oh, how I'd hate to see the Nuggets get Kidd. He'd transform that team overnight, IMO.

For the Nuggets to make it work from a salary perspective, they'd have to send AI to NJ. I think that breaks the deal from both sides.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Yeah, haha, as soon as I saw that Denver is allegedly interested in Kidd and made that post, I asked myself "wait, just how is Denver supposed to put together a package for him?" and my worry subsided.

[borgradr]

Don't know what, if any value Jersey places on moving Collins with Kidd, but I think a deal could get done including Pryzbilla.

Maybe: Collins and Kidd for Lafrentz, Przybilla, and their choice of Jones/Webster and Jack/Blake. We likely would need to include a pick of some kind, but perhaps that wouldn't be a bad thing, especially if we make the playoffs.

[waverider]

interesting in hoopshype this morning that POR (or one other West Coast team) was mentioned at possibly being part of a Kidd to Dallas package.

[Billy]

I'll take Devin Harris </dream>

[cucad8]

I had been thinking about this last night, and trying to come up with a scenario. Not necessarily us getting Kidd, but us being a facilitator. I dunno how exactly, didn't look too hard into it, but could see that happening. KP working himself into the deal to add a piece, or clear a spot or something.

[mojomarc]

Don't know what, if any value Jersey places on moving Collins with Kidd, but I think a deal could get done including Pryzbilla.

Maybe: Collins and Kidd for Lafrentz, Przybilla, and their choice of Jones/Webster and Jack/Blake. We likely would need to include a pick of some kind, but perhaps that wouldn't be a bad thing, especially if we make the playoffs.

Trading Przy but getting back Collins would be a massive deal-breaker for me. I can accept giving up some young talent for Kid, but Przy is essentially our entire low-post defense. Without him, we get slaughtered even if we have Kidd, and then we have to go into next season having to make additional moves to get ourselves a real backup for Oden.

Think of it this way--Collins is less efficient, can't rebound as well, can't block shots at all, shoots free throws worse (!!!), can't score as much, can't play a power game, and he can't do all these things playing in a conference that is far easier on big men than the West. Oh, and he's even older than Joel, too.

No trading Joel unless we get a center back that can back up Oden and be able to keep up the defensive presence in the middle. No way Collins does that. In fact, none of NJ's bigs can do that, with Boone being the closest.

[Norm2953]

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The problem with any deal involving the Lakers now is that the Nets have to take back Radmonvic's contract to match salaries. That'll be a deal killer for the Nets.

That's probably right even if the Lakers offered good young players like
Crittendon and Farmar.

[SoHo]

I've put some thought into us being a facilitator in the Kidd trade. It's something I've thought about ever after an article quoted Thorn saying "it's very complicated", which for me immediately made the connection with our cap guru VP Penn.

The only thing I could figure out was a way to send Darius to Cleveland in this ridiculously large trade where we also send out Jack or Webster to NJ. It didn't seem very appealing to me. In short, it's really hard to dump Darius while facilitating a Kidd deal, because NJ won't want him, and the other team already has to eat Kidd's gigantic deal. Cleveland is about the only team that can, but then they have to pull (essentially) a six or so for two.

I'm just not sure who we would be targeting while we are a facilitator in this trade, is there someone in Dallas that really fits a need for us? If NJ wants youth out of the deal (which I assume we provide in facilitating) we would then be getting veterans...i assume...which positions do we need veteran help at? Not Terry. Certainly not Harris or Howard. Bass? Seems more like a player you pick up in FA.

[Norm2953]

Whether this all works out just reminds me how far we have come
in just one season for just last year we were worried about trying
to get something reasonable for Zach.

I say let's do the deal for JJ, Webster and Raef for Kidd even if
we have to throw in sweeteners like draft picks or Euros like
Koponen or Freeland.

[Spykes]

NY Post is saying that Portland will be a team in the mix for Kidd...

The Nets want Kidd in the West - his choice earlier this season was Dallas. The teams figuring to bid heavily are Dallas, Denver and Portland.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2008 ... _kidd.html

Another article from the Bergen Record reports that Portland may be part of a 3 team deal helping to send Kidd to Dallas...

Sources close to the team said if the Nets move Kidd, who led them to the NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003, they want a combination of good young players, draft picks and expiring contracts. The most likely destinations for Kidd are contenders such as the Mavericks, Lakers, Nuggets, Spurs, Suns and Cavaliers. But Kidd's salary of $19.73 million makes him difficult to move. Thorn and Vandeweghe are exploring multiple options, and some involve more than two teams. One possible scenario, league sources said, involves Kidd and features the Nets, Mavericks and at least one other Western Conference team -- perhaps Portland or Denver -- that could provide New Jersey with young players. Kidd would go to Dallas and the Nets would get back Devean George, DeSagana Diop, Jerry Stackhouse and picks, plus more players from the other team, the sources said.

[Napoleon7]

LaFrentz
Webster
Jack
2008 #1 (Top 3 protected)

for

Kidd

I've said this on numerous sites and I think this is a very good package for both teams.

NJ can then entertain offers for Vince.

Portland benefits in many ways with this trade.
1. We keep our core players together.
2. With a current 10 man rotation heading into the off season a decision would of needed to be made on the departure of 2 of these current players to make room for Oden & Fernandez. This does that.
3. This in my opinion will help with the development of the other young Blazer players. Kidd has one of the highest BB IQ's in the game.
4. Keeps our proposed cap flexibility plan in place for the 2009 off season.
5. It also can help improve Miles trade value for the summer - maybe wishful thinking, but.......... Miles can, if healthy, be given a few minutes of time that Webster would of received this year.