Jason Terry Defense Watch

[daoneandonly]

To Keep a tab on what I personally consider the worst defensive guard in the NBA today.

Since harris got injured, Terry's matchups:

Min FGM-A FTM-A 3PM-A OffReb DefReb TotReb Ast Stl Blk TO PF Pts

Vs. Denver Jan 27:
A Carter, G 36 8-14 0-0 4-6 0 5 5 2 2 1 4 1 20

Vs. Memphis Jan.28:
K Lowry, G 42 5-13 6-14 1-4 0 5 5 4 3 0 0 3 17

Two of the more no name PG's having fairly productive outings, lets see if its a trend.

[catalyst]

Imagine what Billups will do......

[Darren]

He cannot stay in front of his man. And he's never quick or tall enough to play knock down defense. He does register occasional steals, though.

Jason's defense would not improve drastically. If he can take more efficient shots and give us more consistency, I would live with it. I've tried not to put too much expectation on his defense but offense. His offensive game is not quite well this season. I don't see the clutch player in his prime.

[catalyst]

30 year old guys do not improve their defense. But Terry not quick enough? He is very quick. He just has no desire to play d. This is a mental aspect, not physical

[Rand10]

Like catalyst said, it's a motivation thing with Terry. Lately I think he's really been giving more effort of defense, and when he does I don't see him as a liability on that end.

[FGump]

To keep this real rather than a gripefest without facts

1. JET got two huge steals in crunch time vs Denver.
2. When Carter was scoring all his points, he wasn't being guarded by JET. The Mavs were in a matchup zone.

[catalyst]

We were not griping, but stating generalities about the player. You have brought up the specifics, and we appreciate it.

[daoneandonly]

nothing wrong with pointing out his flaws, two steals yes, but his man was the reaosn the game was close, its not like it was AI or Melo, it was anthony freakin carter, like cat said, imagine what billups is gonna do to him.

[FGump]

nothing wrong with pointing out his flaws, two steals yes, but his man was the reaosn the game was close, its not like it was AI or Melo, it was anthony freakin carter, like cat said, imagine what billups is gonna do to him.

No "his man" was NOT the reason the game was close. That's what I was trying to tell you and you keep on with assertions that aren't accurate.

As I said earlier, Anthony Carter was not his man. Or do you not comprehend what a matchup zone is?

I understand that JET is not renowned for his defense. No news flash there. But if you are going to evaluate his defensive performance with Devin out, you gotta keep it real. In my opinion, he really stepped it up on Sunday in the 4th once Devin was gone.

[JES12]

Like catalyst said, it's a motivation thing with Terry. Lately I think he's really been giving more effort of defense, and when he does I don't see him as a liability on that end.

Agreed.
Terry seems to be putting a little mroe effort into his D this year. Still not great, but better than last year.

[daoneandonly]

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No "his man" was NOT the reason the game was close. That's what I was trying to tell you and you keep on with assertions that aren't accurate.

As I said earlier, Anthony Carter was not his man. Or do you not comprehend what a matchup zone is?

I understand that JET is not renowned for his defense. No news flash there. But if you are going to evaluate his defensive performance with Devin out, you gotta keep it real. In my opinion, he really stepped it up on Sunday in the 4th once Devin was gone.

thats the three key words, we both have our opinions, i think he's the second coming of steve nash on D, my opinion. Maybe i dont understand what a matchup zone is, so in that D, the PG just gets free everytime to reign threes? How come the SG didnt, or the SF, or the PF, or the C, because terry wasnt guarding them.

[JES12]

thats the three key words, we both have our opinions, i think he's the second coming of steve nash on D, my opinion. Maybe i dont understand what a matchup zone is, so in that D, the PG just gets free everytime to reign threes? How come the SG didnt, or the SF, or the PF, or the C, because terry wasnt guarding them.

Okay, are you defining Carter as the SG or Iverson? Because they both played plenty of minutes at the same time and they both scored. Howard was on Carter during at least 1 of his 3's.

[FGump]

Maybe i dont understand what a matchup zone is, so in that D, the PG just gets free everytime to reign threes? How come the SG didnt, or the SF, or the PF, or the C, because terry wasnt guarding them.

Obviously you indeed don't understand how a matchup zone works, as to defensive assignments.

In a matchup zone, you guard the guy IN YOUR AREA. So Carter was only Terry's man when he was in Terry's area and Terry - who was playing at the top of the key - was guarding whoever was in that area. Carter's 3s came almost exclusively from the wings.

Your concept that Terry was somehow supposed to be guarding Carter all over the floor in such a defense is completely misinformed, and trying to lay blame on Jet just because Carter was the opposing PG (if indeed he rather than the smaller AI was playing that position, which I'm not sure was even the case) is entirely wrong.

[JES12]

For the OP, Terry = scapegoat

And that's unfair.

[dirkforpres]

It wasnt like Kyle Lowry was going to kill us, the Mavs were forcing it into his hands.

[daoneandonly]

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Obviously you indeed don't understand how a matchup zone works, as to defensive assignments.

In a matchup zone, you guard the guy IN YOUR AREA. So Carter was only Terry's man when he was in Terry's area and Terry - who was playing at the top of the key - was guarding whoever was in that area. Carter's 3s came almost exclusively from the wings.

Your concept that Terry was somehow supposed to be guarding Carter all over the floor in such a defense is completely misinformed, and trying to lay blame on Jet just because Carter was the opposing PG (if indeed he rather than the smaller AI was playing that position, which I'm not sure was even the case) is entirely wrong.

i saw terry guarding carter most of the time, you want video highlights lets go to the film:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280127006

Theres a video here, now they only show two offensive scores for denver, by 2 different players, the one constant, the defender, jason terry.

[FGump]

So what does that prove? Jet gives up two baskets - one of the fling-it-up-wildly variety - and it's poor defense? It tells us very little. If they had chosen two different clips of Denver scores*, would that mean Jet was a perfect defender? Of course not. So get outta here with your stupidity.




* On the basket where he flew out at Carter, by the way, notice that he was IN THE MIDDLE in a weakside zone set before he came flying outside to contest the shot as it swung to the weakside. It's not like he somehow got "beat" on the play, for what it's worth.

[daoneandonly]

So what does that prove? Jet gives up two baskets - one of the fling-it-up-wildly variety - and it's poor defense? It tells us very little. If they had chosen two different clips of Denver scores*, would that mean Jet was a perfect defender? Of course not. So get outta here with your stupidity.




* On the basket where he flew out at Carter, by the way, notice that he was IN THE MIDDLE in a weakside zone set before he came flying outside to contest the shot as it swung to the weakside. It's not like he somehow got "beat" on the play, for what it's worth.

i dont believe in coincidences, they just manage to get two isolated times where terry was guarding the scorer, please. Time after time he gives up basket after basket.

[dirkforpres]

Nobody could have stopped Anthony Carter that night anyways, he was on fire.

[FGump]

Your whole premise is ludicrous.

We know Jet is not the league's best defender. But you coming in here showing a video where he is helping out when AI beats his defender (and flings up a wild shot that goes in), and then where he comes off his assignment to swing out to a man left free elsewhere, does nothing to help us ascertain whether he is playing better defense or not.

Using your standard, he played flawless defense against Memphis, because there are no clips of him giving up any points in it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280128029

You're obviously just throwing crap against the wall, trying to mask your failure to have a clue about a zone defense and how it alters things. But sorry, if you play a zone, it's not going to be PG-PG and you can't look at a box score and evaluate defense accurately just by totaling up points and shots. That must be brutal for you to swallow, since you don't even know what a zone is, but them's the breaks.