We are probably in the best position to get Kidd

[SD2042]

Of course they wouldn't (even with Jameer included), but that means they are not getting Kidd. They don't have many contracts ending this year or next, so the only way for them to work a deal with Jersey is to add another team and Orlando is just about the only team out there that could accommodate Jersey and Dallas.

Would Orlando (or any other team) take Terry or Dampier? I'm betting they would demand Harris. It's too bad Dallas wouldn't do this one, it would make us instant contenders.

There can only really be two bidders for Kidd, Orlando and the Lakers (assuming NJ will take Odom). The only other team I can think of that could put together a package of expirings is Atlanta, but they don't seem to have much interest.

And I doubt J-Kidd would be interested in a move to the ATL. On the deal. I simply don't feel it. I think Dallas can cut the middle man to get J-Kidd.

[Force9024]

There's a logical trade IMO that gets everyone something. I know I've been posting a lot of ideas, but I believe JKidd will help us for the next couple years, and hopefully teach Nelson the ropes so when Kidd retires Nelson's ready to take the ship over. Nelson's shown flashes, but he's not ready to be a starting NBA point guard just yet. Kidd will be a veteran whos been in the finals and is a distributor.

Magic Get: Jason Kidd, Darrell Armstrong, Antoine Wright, Joel Anthony
Nets Get: Udonis Haslem, Ricky Davis, JJ Redick, Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Jason Williams, Pat Garrity, and 2008 Orlando 1st Round Pick
Heat Get: Richard Jefferson, Tony Battie, Malik Allen, and Future 1st Round Conditional Orlando Pick

New Jersey cuts Keyon Dooling and Dooling resigns with Orlando

Why? New Jersey gets $27M in Expirings, a young PF, and young SG who can shoot as well as 2 1st round picks. Orlando picks up Kidd for a run, as well as gets back some depth they lose. Miami gets Richard Jefferson to team up for a run next season.

[flyingvee]

No reason the Nets wouldn't trade Kidd to an Eastern Confernece team, becaus eby trading him they are throwing in the towell and rebuilding, which means by the time they are ready to make noise Kidd will be done. Maybe 2 more good years left in him? As for Carter, would much rathe rhave him as our SG than the junk we have now. Could field a team of

Nelson
Carter
Hedo
Cook
Howard

The Nets can rebuild

M Williams
Jefferson
Lewis
S Williams
Krstic

and that does not include what ever stars they pick up for Kidd whetehr that be D Harris or even a swap with the Lakers if they got a Farmer and Odom which gives them

Farmer
Jefferson
Lewis
Odom
Krstic

and they can compete already.

So in essence, yes, I'd trade Lewis for Carter any day. Lewis will never amount to anything on this team.

[lovehoops01]

Didnt Boston trade a bunch of people for KG? when a contract is that big thats what you have to do. They can cut whoever is not in the plans or dump lesser players. And how is it half our team 3 of the 5 guys dont even play? and the 2 PGs we send will be replaced by Kidd.

They also got back Al Jefferson. I don't see any Al Jefferson in that deal.

Regarding the post that suggested that we could just trade the guys and if New Jersey cut them, then re-sign them.....The NBA closed that loophole. I think you have to wait 3-6 months now in order to re-sign guys that you trade. Call it the Gary Payton-Boston Celtics rule. (For buyouts, it's been a year anyway).

[mhectorgato]

With the way Turk is playing now.

Unfortunately for us, this Turk is not the same Turk we've had in years past. Had this Turk been playing like this all of last season, Lewis likely wouldn't have been the one we set our sights one. Perhaps we'd gone after G.Wallace or pulled off a trade for someone else.

But because Turk had been so inconsistent over the span of 3 prior seasons, we certainly couldn't count on him being this Turk.

[Devin 1L]

There you go again...

You're just assuming that some good trade possibility would come up that we could swing if Rashard's contract were cheaper.

over the term of a max year contract? thats a given. Follow some NBA some time. When haven't a number of players become available over 5 or 6 years? Good night! There you go again....

making no sense.

No, you're just assuming that we could swing some deal to improve from what we'd currently have (Rashard). That is just a big assumption that you are acting as if it is a given. It's not a given. It's merely speculation on your part. Further, that speculation all relies on previous speculation by you in which you assumed that we could have even acquired Rashard for this discounted price that you've thought up.

What if we couldn't have gotten him with a contract cheaper, and the alternative was not having Rashard?

You're just throwing names like Gilbert, Kobe and LeBron assuming that we could have signed Rashard cheaper and that then we would be able to make a deal for players like that.

With the way Turk is playing now. Put him with Rashard and you'd have interest from any team forced to move its star. As for getting him cheaper being speculation. thats on your GM bud. We'll never know because we never tried to do anything but pay him top dollar. Losing him is just bogus nonsense. He stated he wanted to come here. that he would pull that up and decide elsewhere for your imaginary team that was throwing him money is quintessential speculative nonsense

Again, you're just making stuff up and trying to pass it off as fact, and then using that "fact" to criticize the move.

Fact is, we've got Rashard, we're 3rd in the Eastern Conference, and we've got the best record that we've had in 9 years.

And the fact is that Miami has been in this league a shorter time before winning a championship. So keep comparing to 9 years of mediocrity as your basis for success.

Umm, great?

Do you know how many teams have won a championship since the Magic franchise was created? Six.

It's very rare, and we're steadily making a push towards being a contending team.

You can sit around and make up all of these better scenarios that Otis should have and "could have" done, and bitch and moan about how much we suck, but again, the fact is this team has a great foundation and it's in the best position that it's been in a while.

Simply a loser mentality. We cannot contend with this bunch. We have question marks at three of five positions in PF SG and PG. A championship will not be won or contended for with all those holes. That speculation is a dream world that you are living in due to a good stretch.

Does anyone realistically think that this team is in it's final state? Come on.

[1eyedjake]

You know, I'd love to step into Portland's role in this rumoured 3-way trade if they pull out and somehow get Devin Harris back from Dallas. We don't nearly have what Portland does to offer but we can help facilitate the trade with expirings and maybe Nelson going to Jersey...
Ok, it's not realistic, but this is the sort of deal that would be great to see. Devin Harris would be fantastic on this team.

[maginno]

Devin, more nonsense -

Its a fact that over the next five years players will be moved that are even superstar quality. Its not my fault that you don't follow the NBA. Shaq moved, AI moved, Kobe almost moved, and Garnett moved all in the last few years. Add to that a lot of players that aren't superstar status and you have all kinds of opportunities that will open up. Since I must instruct you on the obvious - Its the nature of the business and of human nature. Contract rules and free agency lead inevitably to movement. Pure fact. Its the way the NBA is built in the real world and not the fairy tale world you would like to create for yourself.

Will opportunites avail themselves to make us better by way of trade over the next five years. Is the sky blue on a clear day? Will having a contract that almost no one wants to take on for a player that doesn't live up to that contract (who could but a true superstar) help? TO anyone with half ... no... a quarter of a brain thats a resounding no.

That is why you ALWAYS sign players to contracts within their worth - to give yourself a shot when the INEVITABLE opportunity comes around.

and spare me the nonsense of how many teams haven't won a championship. Thats precisely why you don't squander opportunities. Despite the loser mentality it is still the goal of every team, player and GM to win a ring not to have a team "thats the best we've had in years (read that with a high whiney voice). We have Dwight. You add a great player beside him and you are a contender.

This isn't the final team? Of course I don't believe that thats why you don't tie up the team with a 118 million player that makes it harder to get to that final team.

Duh.

[drsd]

Many here are getting hung up on a trade that sends both Kidd and Armstrong. Firstly, it is unlikely that NJ sends two PGs. Further, in Orlando, Armstrong will be over valued by the fans.

Trade ideas that exclude Armstrong are more feasible and one should suggest ideas a such.

[mhectorgato]

Its a fact that over the next five years players will be moved that are even superstar quality.

Is it a fact that every superstar play will move?

Is it possiblity that Shard will resign here after his current contract is out?

added:

This is point in asking: looking forward a couple of seasons:

If we're not looking to move Rashard at any time because he fits and works extremely well with the system and personnel, will his contract still be an issue?