Official Jason Kidd Thread

[chefy]

I dont have a membership to ESPN insider, but I heard there is a article stating that NJ offered us Kidd for Lamar,Farmar and some change. Mitch declined. I'm not too sure if I would do it either.

yea thats too much

kwame,radman,farmar,1st/d.r to gasol,2nd is enough imo

[J Rob]

I dont have a membership to ESPN insider, but I heard there is a article stating that NJ offered us Kidd for Lamar,Farmar and some change. Mitch declined. I'm not too sure if I would do it either.

I would definately not do that deal.

If we give up Farmar, we sure as hell had better hold onto Odom.

Also, Dallas is not willing to give up Devin Harris and the rest of their pieces (Diop, Stackhouse, picks) are weak.

So I don't think there's any reason to throw out a ridiculous offer.

[Slava]

We could counter that with with our pieces but our only way to get that trade done would be to work a 3 way deal and send some more expirings other than Kwame to NJ.

Nets would love to get Turiaf and Critt in a Kidd deal right now along with expirings.

[J Rob]

One thing nobody's talking about is how great Turiaf would be alongside Kidd.

Just look at what Kidd has done to athletic power forwards in the past.

Turiaf would easily average 12-14 points a game starting alongside Kidd (He's been averaging over 10 points and 2 blocks a game in about 23 minutes since Bynum went down).

Kidd needs finishers and Turiaf moves well, even better than Odom, without the ball.

[truelakerlover]

not sure if its been said already, but any thoughts on kidd and magloire for farmar, odom, and kwame??

[freshie2]

I'm sure all that matters is if you get Kidd in the door, but this one kind of makes sense for each team...it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Trade ID #4448306

Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -11.6 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and -4.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Javaris Crittenton 6-5 PG from Georgia Tech
3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 8.0 minutes
Kwame Brown 6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Rodney Carney 6-6 SF from Memphis
4.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes
Andre Miller 6-2 PG from Utah
16.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.2 apg in 36.3 minutes

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -4.7 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +6.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis 4.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jamaal Magloire 6-11 C from Kentucky
1.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.0 minutes
Jason Kidd 6-4 PG from California
11.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 10.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Javaris Crittenton 6-5 PG from Georgia Tech
3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 8.0 minutes
Kwame Brown 6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.5 minutes
Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +16.3 ppg, +1.6 rpg, and -1.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Andre Miller 6-2 PG from Utah
16.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.2 apg in 36.3 minutes
Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamaal Magloire 6-11 C from Kentucky
1.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.0 minutes
Jason Kidd 6-4 PG from California
11.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 10.4 apg in 37.3 minutes

[LAL4Life]

We could counter that with with our pieces but our only way to get that trade done would be to work a 3 way deal and send some more expirings other than Kwame to NJ.

Nets would love to get Turiaf and Critt in a Kidd deal right now along with expirings.

Yeah they would. Too bad it ain't happening. Ronny's not going anywhere, and I doubt Critt is either. Personally, I'd rather deal Critt instead of Farmar if given the choice, but the FO/Phil/Tex are all super-high on Critt, plus Farmar's showing more promise at this point, so I'm sure Thorn will ask for him first.

If we make a push for Kidd, we need to make sure 1) We don't give up both Farmar and Odom and 2) We get one of their bigs back (Allen/Collins/Magloire). I like the Kwame/Vlad/Farmar/1st idea, but that would leave us with Ronny and Mbenga holding down the C position for the next month and a half. I don't care how good our backcourt would be, that's not gonna cut it.

I don't think we need to worry though, I would be shocked if Mitch and Co actually pulled something off. I just hope we doesn't go to Dallas fo the junk trades that have been rumored (George, Diop, Stack + picks): The Mavs would be pretty much unbeatable.

[B-Scott]

As inconsistent as Lamar has been with him we match up much better with teams like Phoenix, Dallas, Hornets, Jazz. Even though he struggled against Dallas last game,usually he gives Dirk a lot of problems then that. I think if you put him in the trade for Kidd along with Farmar,we end up worse.

The Nets would actually be better team with Lamar, Farmar and Sasha then they are with kid. Big improvement at the 4 and better spot up shooting at the point.

[DoctaJ]

I have to agree with B-Scott, I don't think letting go of Odom for a Kidd return is a very good idea. (And I was one of the yes men for the Kidd/Bynum deal).

The only way I'd work a deal is without Lamar, Bynum and one of our young PGs, like I've said before. I'd love having a starting line of Kidd, Fish, Kobe, Lamar and Bynum.

However, for some strange reason.. I just don't see any trade for Kidd going down. Just watch, if he does get traded, it'll be to Cleveland..

[J Rob]

I'm sure all that matters is if you get Kidd in the door, but this one kind of makes sense for each team...it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Trade ID #4448306


L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -4.7 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +6.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis 4.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jamaal Magloire 6-11 C from Kentucky
1.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.0 minutes
Jason Kidd 6-4 PG from California
11.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 10.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Javaris Crittenton 6-5 PG from Georgia Tech
3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 8.0 minutes
Kwame Brown 6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.5 minutes
Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes

I think I would do that deal.

Kidd/Farmar
Fisher/Sasha
Kobe/Walton/Ariza
Turiaf/Radman
Bynum/Magloire/Mihm

-We add a HOF PG to upgrade an already good offense and bring tougher D
-Magloire's an upgrade over Kwame, which is especially important while Bynum's out
-We keep our future in tact by allowing Farmar to grow behind Kidd
-Turiaf will be able to match Odom's 13 points in the starting role with Kidd feeding him the ball.

[MikeyMike]

I know this leaves the Lakers extremely thin up front, and ridiculously deep in the backcourt.....but I would still do the following...

I am so sick of Kwame and Odom on this team. They really have no place in Los Angeles and getting Kidd in return would be a steal for these two.

Odom can't even friggin tuck in his jersey like a grown up basketball player....sloppy appearance, sloppy player. Get him outta here.


Anyways, I definitely would not trade Farmar for Kidd because I see something special there. The Lakers aren't exactly hurting for guards which is the reason I am not totally enthused about getting Kidd. I don't even think I'd want to give up Crittenton....Kidd is pretty old now.


So thats my offer to Rod Thorn....Kwame, Odom, + 1st rounder....take back Kidd and one of NJ's bad contracts.

I've heard talk of Dallas being the front runner for Kidd...anyone know what they are offering? Would Cuban really want to rock that boat?

Please discuss, mods please don't lock, thank you.

[anti_flag2008]

we are already better in the point guard department so why add another one?

[El Hardee]

Kwame and Lamar is too much for Kidd. If we are going to package Lamar,Kwame and one of our PG's we need to get a 3rd team involved and get us a SF or PF. I would rather make a run at Deng or AI in Philly if we are getting rid of LO. Kidd is old and we are pretty stacked at PG.

[ak777]

As much as I would like to trade Odumb and Kwame.....Kidd....wont be that much of a deal in the triangle....

DFish is just doing fine...with career numbers and Farmar is gaining some good exp....

I do want to trade odumbass for haslem and williams/davis

[chefy]

I think we already have a Jason Kidd Thread


farmar,kwame,radman,1st/gasol,2nd for kidd

thats it, a combination of odom and farmar is too much for kidd imo
pg spot is not are problem anyway

[milesfides]

One thing nobody's talking about is how great Turiaf would be alongside Kidd.

Just look at what Kidd has done to athletic power forwards in the past.

Turiaf would easily average 12-14 points a game starting alongside Kidd (He's been averaging over 10 points and 2 blocks a game in about 23 minutes since Bynum went down).

Kidd needs finishers and Turiaf moves well, even better than Odom, without the ball.

Not only Turiaf, but Kidd would make everybody's life, including Kobe's, easier. Kobe never had the luxury of playing next to somebody who could create some shots for him, get him some easy baskets on a consistent basis.

This would also allow Kobe to play on the wing and on the block, to play behind the defenses instead of always attacking from the three point line and trying to break defenses down.

That's where Kobe's been at his most efficient, and I do believe he's never had the luxury of being allowed to do what he does best - score. Sure, there's been stretches when he's been asked to play that role, but never on a consistent, always aggressive mode. Our team needs requires our best scorer to be our passer, unfortunately. Primary playmaking duties has always forced him to juggle roles.

Kidd would freshen Kobe's legs and his career, no doubt.

Bynum would also get double the easy opportunities. Kobe's a good passer, but Kidd is brilliant.

We know Kidd wanted and expected to be in a Lakers uniform last year before the trade deadline. We know he badly wants to play next to Kobe. If Kidd wants to go to Dallas, it's only because the Lakers won't deal what the Nets want.

I think there's no way this deal goes through without Farmar. The Nets can't exactly rebuild from scratch either. Vince and RJ have big and long contracts. Java would be a huge risk to them, even if Marcus Williams has shown some promise. Farmar is the key to any deal for Kidd, if I were in Thorn's shoes. No way I'm giving up Kidd without getting Farmar.

[djericho]

If Mitch does a trade for Kidd

1) Can't gut the team, it's the same arguement with different players. Odom or Farmar plus Kwame/Radman/Sasha picks. Not both...

2) Need a big (heck I'd take collins @ the Center position, let him work w/ Kareem too, but his free throw shooting % is atrocious)


That said, it's not gonna get done.

[milesfides]

Farmar, Kwame, Radman - why wouldn't that get done?

P.S., if Mihm comes back next week that could drastically change our willingness to deal without getting back a big

[tayzer]

I think we can all agree that Kidd is >> Farmar, but Kidd + his salary <<< Farmar. Remember the heats gamble their soul to win a title. Kidd will distroy our cap space.

[J Rob]

I think we can all agree that Kidd is >> Farmar, but Kidd + his salary <<< Farmar. Remember the heats gamble their soul to win a title. Kidd will distroy our cap space.

The difference is that although Kidd makes 20 mil, his contract runs out after next season.

If we extended him, he would definately sign for a lot less than 100 mil over 5 years.

Kidd's looking to win.