Darko vs Bargnani

[silverhill27]

Two struggling bigmen who seem to be lacking confidence at the moment. In terms of their skill sets, they seem like complete opposites. Darko is one of the better shot blockers while Andrea has shown flashes of being Dirk-lite. So who would you rather have?

Best three games for Darko this season

Jan 08 vs. LAL - 12points 6-9 11 rebounds 4 assists 4 blocks 27 min
Nov 14 @ MIL - 10 points 4-10 13 rebounds 4 blocks 34 min
Nov 13 vs. HOU - 20 points 9-14 6 rebounds 2 blocks 35 min

Best three games for Andrea

Jan 23 @ BOS - 20 points 7-14 7 rebounds 7 assists 1 block 40 min
Jan 4 vs DET - 25 points 10-16 2 rebounds 40 min
Nov 30 vs CLE - 26 points 9-19 6 rebounds 3 assists 1 block 40 min

[Blazing_royale]

imagine Darknani, Swatting shots on the defensive end, while being dirk like on the offensive end

[RoyceDa59]

In terms of talent and room for improvement, I would much rather have Bargnani. He is slowely but surely starting to come around this season, and while I dont think he will ever be an superstar, he sure has the potential to become an impact player. Darko is in his fifth season now and hasn't really shown anything beyond being a great shotblocker and a marginal overall player. I'd rather take a gamble on the 2nd year 7ft'er who can knock down 3's and has more room for growth.

[Kosta]

So 5 years vs 2 years in the NBA mens nothing, I guess.

[hermes]

bargs

[Guy Smiley]

I prefer C's that can play near the hoop. It is with deep regret and remorse that I pick Darko.

After Bargnani is inducted into the Basketball Hall Of Fame I will look back on this post and hang my head in shame.

[gswhoops]

I don't know...cause I prefer Cs who can rebound/defend over big SFs who can only shoot...but Bargs has a chance to be something, while with Darko pretty much what you see is what you get.

For the Warriors, I'd take Bargnani.

[Mr. Perfect]

I honestly don't know if I should take Andrea over Darko.

[raps4life~]

Andrea hasnt played two full seasons in the NBA yet so i would say he has much more promise. as more darko, i dont think he will get THAT much better than what he is today.

[MagicFan3]

Two busts, but Darko has been a bust for longer.

[WesWesley]

Two busts, but Darko has been a bust for longer.

Bargs has to play this bad for much longer to be considered a bust there buddy.

[TMACFORMVP]

Two busts, but Darko has been a bust for longer.

Bargnani isn't a bust IMHO, he's only in his second year.

He's shown more in his rookie season than Darko has showed his whole career thus far.

[WesWesley]

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Bargnani isn't a bust IMHO, he's only in his second year.

He's shown more in his rookie season than Darko has showed his whole career thus far.

He probably realizes that, he's just trolling and baiting raptor fans.

[farzi]

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Bargs has to play this bad for much longer to be considered a bust there buddy.

Compare him to the other players that went in that draft...he's a bust.

Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay
Kevin Martin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Randy Foye (when not injured)

All of those players are better than bargs...

[tsherkin]

Darko... for Toronto, Darko.

We have enough shooters and Darko's is marginally superior as a rebounder and way, way better on defender because of his shot-blocking.

[Last Guardian]

Darko is more then marginally superior as a rebounder. In pretty much the same minutes he is getting 2 more rpg. I'd say he is a much better rebounder and in now that Pau is gone he has had 2 straight double/double games. And defensively its not close. Darko moves his feet much better, uses his superior length to block 2 shots a game compared to 0.4 for Bargnani and has the mass to defend the post.

Offensively, have to give a pretty decent advantage to Bargnani because Darko just isn't good on that end. But Bargnani hurts the comparison because all he does is jack jumpshots and thus shoots 6% lower than Darko who is already pretty bad at 44% for a big man.

[tsherkin]

Darko is more then marginally superior as a rebounder. In pretty much the same minutes he is getting 2 more rpg. I'd say he is a much better rebounder and in now that Pau is gone he has had 2 straight double/double games. And defensively its not close. Darko moves his feet much better, uses his superior length to block 2 shots a game compared to 0.4 for Bargnani and has the mass to defend the post.

Point; there is a gigantic gap in their RbR and Darko's posting something like +3 boards per 36 this season.

So "marginal" is a completely incorrect word; "significantly" should probably replace it.

Offensively, have to give a pretty decent advantage to Bargnani because Darko just isn't good on that end. But Bargnani hurts the comparison because all he does is jack jumpshots and thus shoots 6% lower than Darko who is already pretty bad at 44% for a big man.

Offense is of no concern here, Darko's defense and rebounding are much more valuable. Of course, Bargnani's FG% this year isn't worth mentioning because it's an outlier season and even still, his eFG% is 45.3% to Darko's 44.3%. If you want to discuss efficiency, Darko's TS% is 44.9% to Bargnani's 49.6%.

Both well below league average and shamefully so but because Bargnani can hit the three, yeah, he's more efficient than Darko. But again, rebounding and defense are much more important and I would rather have Darko.

Just as an aside and not because I dislike European players, but I want to point out the following:

Euros taken in the lottery since and including the 2001 Draft:

Vladimir Radmanovic
Pau Gasol

Bostjan Nachbar
Nickoloz Tskitishvili

Mickael Pietrus
Darko Milicic

Andris Biedrins

Yaroslav Korolev
Fran Vasquez

Thabo Sefolosha
Andrea Bargnani

There have been a couple of other international players, of course (Diop, Sene, Yao, etc) but these are the guys that have been drafted from Europe in the lottery.

Bargnani's prospects are dim, historically speaking, since Gasol is the only one among those players who is really worth his selection as anything other than a specialist or bench player (Biedrins, of course, being a fine starting center but a specialist rebounder and fastbreak finisher).

I don't entertain significant hope for Andrea at all and took a very negative view of the idea of drafting him for a reason; Bargnani is a waste of time.

[kdot99]

[quote="farzi"][/quote]

LOL, I love how you randomly add Kevin Martin there...

Roy, Gay and Aldridge have all had better career thus far, but these players are still in their early 20's. Plus, Randy Foye's rookie season, wasn't better than Bargnani's.

[Promezclan]

"Euros taken in the lottery since and including the 2001 Draft:

Vladimir Radmanovic
Pau Gasol

Bostjan Nachbar
Nickoloz Tskitishvili

Mickael Pietrus
Darko Milicic

Andris Biedrins

Yaroslav Korolev
Fran Vasquez

Thabo Sefolosha
Andrea Bargnani

Bargnani's prospects are dim, historically speaking, since Gasol is the only one among those players who is really worth his selection as anything other than a specialist or bench player"

LOL, what a meaningless comparison. Those guys are mostly 11th picks or lower, while Bargnani is the #1 pick. Here are the players picked on either side of each of those guys:

Radmanovic: Kedrick Brown, Richard Jefferson
Gasol: Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler
Nachbar: Fred Jones, Jiri Welsch
Skita: Dajuan Wagner, Drew Gooden
Pietrus: Nick Collison, Jarvis Hayes
Milicic: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony
Biedrins: Luke Jackson, Robert Smith
Korolev, Vasquez: Sean May, Andew Bynum
Sefolosha: Hilton Armstrong, Ronnie Brewer

Guess what, most of them suck - at those low picks, most people just aren't dominant, whether Euro or American. Besides Darko, there is no significant different in the quality.

Now if we look at #1 picks since 2001, it looks a lot more promising:
Kwame Brown
Yao Ming
LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bargnani
Greg Oden

Not to say that either group is nearly as predictive as actually seeing how well the guy is playing (admittedly, not very), but the #1 picks are obviously more relevant for comparison than a random group of low picks, where most people are mediocre.

[tsherkin]

LOL, what a meaningless comparison. Those guys are mostly 11th picks or lower, while Bargnani is the #1 pick. Here are the players picked on either side of each of those guys:
Guess what, most of them suck - at those low picks, most people just aren't dominant, whether Euro or American. Besides Darko, there is no significant different in the quality.


Not to say that either group is nearly as predictive as actually seeing how well the guy is playing (admittedly, not very), but the #1 picks are obviously more relevant for comparison than a random group of low picks, where most people are mediocre.

Yeah, but this was only a supplementary point to go hand-in-hand with "Bargnani is about the worst rebounder I've ever seen from a seven-footer" and "Bargnani has an exceedingly weak mid-range game" and "Bargnani's only significant value is as a spot-up three-point shooter or pick-and-pop player."

It's not a stand-alone point.

Moreover, the #1 picks almost all have something Bargnani lacks, let's look:

Kwame Brown

Athleticism and strength... but not a really great example because Kwame's just a defensive specialist. He's still a better rebounder, though.

Yao Ming

Height, post game, isolation offense, rebounding, weak side help defense.

LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Greg Oden

Elite athletic ability. Howard and Oden also have post game, rebounding ability and weak side help D. Lebron, of course, is an uber-versatile wing player.

So the levels of athleticism and skill all WIDELY exceed what Bargnani has displayed and consequently these players are no comparison at all because Bargs doesn't even approach them in any way.