OT: Reviewing the 2006 NBA Draft

[Toronto BC 07]

Hey,

Kind of off topic here but Thorpe wrote a similar article last week as well and thought I would give my two cents.

http://hoopsaddict.com/2008/01/27/reviewing-the-2006-nba-draft/

What do you guys think? Is Bargnani ever going to return to form or reach the status so many of us thought he would be much closer to reaching?

If you were Colangelo, who would you take instead at #1 if you don't believe in Bargs anymore? (Besides Brandon Roy)

Thanks

[Yuri Vaultin]

Hey,

Kind of off topic here but Thorpe wrote a similar article last week as well and thought I would give my two cents.

http://hoopsaddict.com/2008/01/27/reviewing-the-2006-nba-draft/

What do you guys think? Is Bargnani ever going to return to form or reach the status so many of us thought he would be much closer to reaching?

If you were Colangelo, who would you take instead at #1 if you don't believe in Bargs anymore? (Besides Brandon Roy)

Thanks

I think If I'm Colengelo I do it the same or trade down to arounf 5. You'll still get Bargs or Roy.

I have faith in Bargs - I think he will be able to string it together - people seem to forget that he is learning a new position against the very best players in the world

[Indiana Jones]

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I think If I'm Colengelo I do it the same or trade down to arounf 5. You'll still get Bargs or Roy.

I have faith in Bargs - I think he will be able to string it together - people seem to forget that he is learning a new position against the very best players in the world

i agree. there really was no clear cut number one, and i thought for sure that we would trade down. but clearly nobody else wanted to trade up!! this draft exemplifies everything i feel about the raptors: we win a lottery and get the thinnest draft class in two decades...i expect nothing less from lady luck...similar feelings towards our playoff matchup last year, where we played great but end up getting arguably the hottest team in the east in the nets by the time the series started...just our luck...

[Guy Smiley]

I liked Rudy Gay. I still like Rudy Gay.

The kid can knock down 3's and can do the things I want to see from an NBA player. He is still young and has loads of potential.

Rudy is the man.

[Yuri Vaultin]

I liked Rudy Gay. I still like Rudy Gay.

The kid can knock down 3's and can do the things I want to see from an NBA player. He is still young and has loads of potential.

Rudy is the man.

Going into the draft the only negatives that were being said about him were that Rudy's work ethic made Charlie V's look like Dirk or Jordan's right? I'm seriously inquiring because I remember he slipped a lot during his last season of college hoops on the draft lists.

[Guy Smiley]

Going into the draft the only negatives that were being said about him were that Rudy's work ethic made Charlie V's look like Dirk or Jordan's right? I'm seriously inquiring because I remember he slipped a lot during his last season of college hoops on the draft lists.

Yeah, the knock on him was the whole 'disappearing act' and lack of assertiveness on the offensive end. Some posters around here called him the tin man but I'm sure Rudy has horsewhipped those posters into silence.

Now that he is scoring almost 20 per I think it is safe to say he is not afraid to take enough shots. His shooting percentages have been more than solid and I look forward to watching his progress. If BC could somehow steal him from Memphis I would be a very happy camper.

[Indiana Jones]

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Going into the draft the only negatives that were being said about him were that Rudy's work ethic made Charlie V's look like Dirk or Jordan's right? I'm seriously inquiring because I remember he slipped a lot during his last season of college hoops on the draft lists.

yeah but how do you measure work ethic? there's no statistic really, and it all comes down to comments from coaches and players that usually get thrown around by the media ad absurdum...

talent and athleticism cannot be taught/learned, work ethic can! i don't think it's right to ignore concerns about work ethic, but i don't remember anyone saying gay was a bad character guy.

i think colangelo was set on bargnani from the get go. and i believe this was so for a lot of reasons, and not necessarily objective basketball reasons either. in the end, i don't think bargs will be regarded as the best from that draft, but he's not going to be named alongside 'kandi and other busts. he will contribute, just maybe not as much as everyone hoped (a la dirk).

one positive about his play is that it cannot get any worse, so things can really only get better for bargnani...

[Buyaka]

Actually I am encouraged by Andrea's recent efforts to box out and go for rebounds. Clearly showing inexperience at 5, but learning. His man to man D is good, but later movement on D needs work. Needs to understand how to avoid cheap fouls. All I've asked for is effort. I could care less if drops 15-20pts or not. I am open seeing him after the big man camp next year.

[Yuri Vaultin]

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one positive about his play is that it cannot get any worse, so things can really only get better for bargnani...

oh no!!!!

Didn't they say that about Kwame and Kandi ??

[kavan]

We could of traded down with the Bobcats i think they had pick number 6 and 11 orsomthing like that for the 1.

But I dont know. Move him as potential STILL RAW VERY RAW talent, and let some other team deal with it. We need GRIT and SIZE and a beast not a finess bigman.

[Sun Tzu]

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I have faith in Bargs - I think he will be able to string it together - people seem to forget that he is learning a new position against the very best players in the world

I don't even know what this claim means anymore. That he isn't performing as well as he could because his offence is being channelled into post moves and under-the-basket putbacks? That he is being pulled too far from his confort zone, which is out on the perimeter? Or that he is expending so much energy on rebounding and help defence that the other aspects of his game are suffering?

His offence, which can charitably be called mediocre, still comes - almost exclusively - from the perimiter. Can one of the dozens of people who keep parroting this line explain to me how Barg's play is explained by his struggles to learn a new position?

As for who to go with, I have't seen enough of Gay this season to make much of a judgment, but I have seen plenty of Roy and think he would be hard to pass up.

[raps4life~]

all in all, it was a bad draft. it looks like only 4 or 5 players will become 'really good' players. it was probably the worst year for the raptors to get the #1 pick

[Toronto BC 07]

Yeah, but I still contend that the Raptors couldn't have traded down because other teams would've scooped him up as well.

I'm glad he is rebounding more in the past week, hopefully he'll have a good game tonight in front of the home crowd.

[Guy Smiley]

Yeah, but I still contend that the Raptors couldn't have traded down because other teams would've scooped him up as well.

I'm glad he is rebounding more in the past week, hopefully he'll have a good game tonight in front of the home crowd.

Would that have really been all that bad?

Here is the head to head match up.

Bargnani
PPG 8.9
RPG 3.6
APG 1.1
SPG 0.2
BPG 0.4
FG% .375
FT% 0.787
3P% 0.375
MPG 22.6

Gay
PPG 19.6
RPG 6.0
APG 1.7
SPG 1.5
BPG 0.8
FG% .471
FT% 0.785
3P% 0.395
MPG 37.3

The only category that Bargnani beats Gay is in FT% and he has a minuscule 0.002 lead on Rudy.

[Toronto BC 07]

Wow, nice analysis.

I guess I am just a big fan of his, I hate it when players have all the tools in the world and can never put it together. If you're a Raptors fan you got to hope he does as I don't think they can do much damage in the playoffs without him.

[Guy Smiley]

I hope that Bargnani does well as long as he wears a Raptor uniform.

[asif9t9]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked. If we were choosing today, it would have to bee Roy. The guy can take over games like Lebron and Kobe.

But who comes after that? Rudy Gay? Please. Stats on bad teams mean nothing. I have been so frustrated by Andrea this year, but I'd still take him over Rudy Gay.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Well I am sure that Charlotte is pissed as well that they took AMMO when they did as well. The draft is a crap shoot nothing is a sure thing. How many people passed on Boozer, Howard, Arenas and Parker and look at them now.

Yeah we can all play armchair GM and say well look at what we would have had

PG: Ford/Calderon/Marcus Williams (instead of Graham)
SG: Igoudala (instead of Araujo)/Roy (instead of Bargnani)/whatever
SF: Moon/Kopono/Garbojasa
PF: Bosh/Garbojas/Baston
C: Nesterovic/whatever/whatever

[kcthekid]

i liked roy for the 1st pick
but i also liked adam morrisons game.... (not for the number 1 overall), but i would have traded for him...shows how good a GM i would be lol

[Guy Smiley]

But who comes after that? Rudy Gay? Please. Stats on bad teams mean nothing. I have been so frustrated by Andrea this year, but I'd still take him over Rudy Gay.

Are you joking or lying?

Bosh was a very good player before the past two seasons.