nj + pdx + dallas

[JD45]

If Portland could land Harris for any combination of players and picks that does not include Roy, Aldridge or Oden, they should do it.

Those 4 plus any MLE role player is a title contender for the next 10 years.

[valleyman33]

If Portland could land Harris for any combination of players and picks that does not include Roy, Aldridge or Oden, they should do it.

Those 4 plus any MLE role player is a title contender for the next 10 years.

I don't agree! Harris is good, not that good. Would not give up Outlaw for sure...
Anyway, I think Harris has a contract that is very difficult to trade now.

[SabasRevenge!]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=987~429~2382~998~841~2768~454~2795&teams=22~6~22~22~17~6~17~17&te=&cash=

This is a bit more simple trade that I believe works for all three teams. Portland's got Jack, Webster, and Lafrentz going out for Harris, Collins, and Hassell. Hassell can provide spot minutes at 2/3 and Collins essentially takes Raef's spot as an emergency big man. Hassell's contract is the same as Miles, hindering Portland's '09 cap space plan. Harris becomes, IMO, an almost ideal backcourt compliment to Roy, he can focus on playing stellar defense, pick his spots on offense, and get the ball to the guys around him.

Dallas has Kidd and Jack coming in for Harris, Hassell, and Terry. Dallas can take a shot winning big with Kidd/Howard/Nowitzki and they get a young Jarrett Jack to help with the loss of Terry and Harris. IMO this trade is the most unbalanced for Dallas, so perhaps some other form of compensation would have to be given to them.

New Jersey gets decent value for Kidd in Terry and Webster, plus Raef's big contract comes off the books next year. Next move for NJ: Trading Vince Carter - let the rebuilding in Brooklyn commence! If I were a NJ fan I'd certainly rather have M. Williams, Terry, Webster, Jefferson, S. Williams, Boone, and something for Carter that what they have now.

[Mr Odd]

Rumors are fun!! Weee.. .

No way Outlaw is going anywhere.
For one, I aswell as many, many
others would say Outlaw is a better
player then Harris. However theyre
both two different types of player
so I guess Mavs fans would disagree.


Also NJ is going to want something
more then Stackhouse, hes not the
player he once was, but he still can
be a threat. My guess is the Blazers
would be sending NJ a few players.

But rumors are funny, even ones put
out on national tv on ESPN. I mean
the truth of the deal could be way
different or the Blazers not even in it.

All I know is Roy, LMA, Oden & Outlaw
wont be traded. Beyond that I believe
any other player can be had if its the
right deal. Pritchard, Penn & Paul (3xP)
are smart guys, they wont do anything
thats going to screw the team up.. .

[omeloon]

If can get Harris for any combination of Webster, Jack, Frye, Sergio, and/or Portland's 2008 1st (even if for all of that), you have to do it. You don't turn down chance to have Harris, Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge, and Oden together... especially with Blake and Jones as solid guys off the bench, and Rudy coming over next season. The MLE will be more than enough to plug in veteran players that will turn Portland into something very special.

[JD45]

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I don't agree! Harris is good, not that good. Would not give up Outlaw for sure...
Anyway, I think Harris has a contract that is very difficult to trade now.

What most fans of other teams don't see is that Harris' strongest attribute is his defense. Last year Holinger rated him as the best defensive PG in the league. The Mavs said their internal rating system showed him as the best defensive guard in the league.

So you have a player who is potentially the best defender and a top 10 offensive player at his position, and PG is a more important position than SG, SF and PF. That is why I think Portland would give up a lot to get Harris.

But of course that is also why this deal won't happen. The Mavs need him badly in a conference with Nash, Paul and Williams.

[Dakotah612]

Son of a b***

League sources tell us that, the Nets would get point guard Jarrett Jack, swingman Travis Outlaw, forward Channing Frye, a No. 1 pick and cash from Portland and forward Devean George, center DeSagana Diop, swingman Jerry Stackhouse, a No. 1 cash from the Mavericks.

Outlaw/Jack/Frye/1st round/Cash for Harris and other Dallas fodder?!

This is getting absurd

LINK

[mojomarc]

If can get Harris for any combination of Webster, Jack, Frye, Sergio, and/or Portland's 2008 1st (even if for all of that), you have to do it. You don't turn down chance to have Harris, Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge, and Oden together... especially with Blake and Jones as solid guys off the bench, and Rudy coming over next season. The MLE will be more than enough to plug in veteran players that will turn Portland into something very special.

With the number of good PGs that will be available in the draft this year, I'm not interested in selling the farm to get Harris, especially if it derails the chemistry this year. I'd give up Jack for sure, and our first this year lottery protected, but there's no way you give up five very tradeable young talented assets for just Harris. He's a good player, but come on. He's a point guard on a very good offensive team with guys like Stackhouse and Dirk to pass to, and he can't even average more assists than Brandon does?

And sorry, JD, but not only is Devin not a top 10 offensive PG, but he's barely top 10 in the Western Conference. You have Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, and Tony Parker all ahead of him, and that's assuming you don't want to count Brandon Roy as a PG. He's having a great year right now, and his relative youth makes him attractive, but until he proves this isn't a fluke or an artifact of the team he's playing on, I think saying he's that good is a big overstatement. After all, he's still not statistically up to what Kirk Hinrich was doing last year, and we all know about his woes this season.

In any case, he's not in the Chris Paul class of PGs, so he's kind of stuck with a lot of players that are all of fairly similar potential like Calderon, Farmar, Conley, Rondo, etc., and probably below both Rose and Mayo next year.

[SabasRevenge!]

Son of a b***

League sources tell us that, the Nets would get point guard Jarrett Jack, swingman Travis Outlaw, forward Channing Frye, a No. 1 pick and cash from Portland and forward Devean George, center DeSagana Diop, swingman Jerry Stackhouse, a No. 1 cash from the Mavericks.

Outlaw/Jack/Frye/1st round/Cash for Harris and other Dallas fodder?!

This is getting absurd

LINK

I have serious doubts about the credibility of this report. What else would Portland receive to make the salaries work? I'm also skeptical because it's an article from a North Jersey paper talking about a deal that very clearly favors the Nets.

I agree with Mojo's thoughts on Harris. I'd love to have Harris on this team, but is it worth gutting the white unit to get him? Our depth is a huge reason for our success and IMO that trade would be a serious mistake.

[Papercut]

Yes, Kevin Pritchard is going to give up practically the entire second unit to get Devin Harris. That sounds believable. Oh and we're going to throw in some draft picks and cash too.

I'd love to have Harris but these rumors are getting more and more ridiculous.

[mharris3]

I started a separate thread - saw this was already active & deleted - but don't see this one linked.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

If Devin Harris is all that - then why do the Mavericks need Jason Kidd?

[mojomarc]

If Devin Harris is all that - then why do the Mavericks need Jason Kidd?

That is an excellent question.

[Spykes]

This is getting pretty ridiculous. It's like they want our entire bench for Harris. Thanks, but no thanks.

[Wizenheimer]

I started a separate thread - saw this was already active & deleted - but don't see this one linked.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

If Devin Harris is all that - then why do the Mavericks need Jason Kidd?

it's an idiotic 'article' written by somebody who either doesn't know portland's stituation or believes Kidd is 27 instead of 34 and shoots 50% 3pt and 69% 2p and dishes out 16 assists while commiting a turnover every 7th game.

That portland would trade outlaw, frye, and jack for Harris is absurd...and that doesn't account for the fact that it wouldn't pass CBA muster because of BYC and PPP.

[Billy]

The players going back to the Nets seem to be bordering on the same speculation of players returning to Philly last year for Iverson.

Seems like last year Iverson was going to yield all kinds of untold youth and draft picks on top of immediate cap relief. Also it was expected that Iverson would also be accompanied by a big offloaded deal.

Instead Iverson was dealt for decent sized expiring (Joe Smith) a vet with still another year on his deal (Miller) and 2 firsts. Also the player Philly managed to "offload" was a rookie scale minimum player named Ivan McFarlin. This meanwhile was the trade for the similar salaried, 3 year younger Iverson.

Granted they both are future hall of famers, but Iverson is and was no where near the twilight of his career where as you could generate a decent amount of debate that Kidd is.

Now this obviously has the caveat that Harris would need to be moved and Harris comes at a cost. But it seems like the more this rumor pops up the heftier the price tag comes for Portland.

Harris is a solid prospect that I'd love to have. But the Blazers pride themselves this year on being a TEAM that is 10 deep. After this trade their bench would be gone and/or replaced with higher priced vets. Portland would be throwing the cap space plan under the bus while also parting with a significant amount of assets.

Ugg.

[omeloon]

Joel, Aldridge, Webster, Jones, Roy, Harris, Sergio, and Blake is still a pretty deep team with lots of room to improve seeing how Oden and Rudy are coming over next season. If Miles can contribute anything that's a bonus too. The big question becomes does anyone from New Jersey come over to Portland?? Harris for Outlaw, Jack, Frye, and the pick makes little sense, but if Portland can get someone like Sean Williams or Boone it might look a lot more balanced.

[Papercut]

Also keep in mind that Kidd has asked (aka demanded) a trade. New Jersey has absolutely no leverage in this. The idea that they could get as much back as that article suggests is homerism to the extreme.

[glide22]

Big downside to any trade: Jack, Webster, Outlaw and a few of our other players seem to be central to our team chemistry. It would probably throw a wrench into what has been a pretty amazing season.

Big upside: Devin Harris would be perfect. He can defend fast guards and big guards. He is getting better every year. His shot is coming around. For what it's worth, he also has the character to fit in well with the rest of the team. Making the deal could shake us up now, but we'd be in a better position to compete for a title down the line.

(I went to Wisconsin while he was there. That might make me biased, but I also got to see a lot of his games. He's the real deal.)

Why does Dallas do this? I agree with some of the earlier posts - I'm surprised Dallas would give up Harris for Kidd. Seems like they're putting all their chips in to win it this year. That's the only rationale I can think of. But that's their problem.

Preferences: I'd like to hang on to Outlaw. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jack, Webster deal that was posted earlier:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

In the long run, I doubt it happens because nobody wants to look bad and wind up on the wrong side of a lopsided trade. But if NJ and Dallas make the right offer (like the one above), I think KP will make the move.

[tucson]

I wonder what Harris is worth around the league. A young, defensive point guard is worth more than an athletic wing, but I still wouldn't trade Outlaw for him straight up because he's not a big enough upgrade for us unless he substantially improves his outside shot. I see his 5 year $50 million deal is a negative as he hasn't proven to be worth that much yet. There's got to be other young defensive point guards we could acquire without giving up so much and tanking our cap flexibility.

If KP sees something special in him then I would trust his judgment but offer no more than Jack, Frye, and a top 3 protected first. It's not like we have make a trade this season anyway. Only if it benefits us long-term does it make sense to tamper with the chemistry. Getting Harris would disrupt the chemistry in the short term and we could very well miss the playoffs this year as a result.

[JD45]

And sorry, JD, but not only is Devin not a top 10 offensive PG, but he's barely top 10 in the Western Conference. You have Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, and Tony Parker all ahead of him, and that's assuming you don't want to count Brandon Roy as a PG. He's having a great year right now, and his relative youth makes him attractive, but until he proves this isn't a fluke or an artifact of the team he's playing on, I think saying he's that good is a big overstatement. After all, he's still not statistically up to what Kirk Hinrich was doing last year, and we all know about his woes this season.

In any case, he's not in the Chris Paul class of PGs, so he's kind of stuck with a lot of players that are all of fairly similar potential like Calderon, Farmar, Conley, Rondo, etc., and probably below both Rose and Mayo next year.

I based the top 10 offensive PG comment based on Hollinger's ratings, which have him as the #9 PG in PER, which is primarily an offensive rating for guards.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... asonType=2

I have an unusual perspective on the deal because I live in Dallas and am a Mavs fan, but am moving to the PNW in a few months. I will still follow the Mavs, but will spend a lot more time following the Blazers.

Harris is worth a lot more than Kidd. He will never be as good as the Kidd of 5 years ago, but he is at around the same level as Kidd now and still improving. I don't see Dallas trading Harris + Filler for Kidd. So if Harris is leaving, Dallas is getting back something else of value in addition to Kidd. For Portland to get in the middle of a trade like this they would have to want Harris very badly to convince Dallas to let him go. Which is fine because Portland has assets to trade. In fact Portland needs to get rid of some young players or picks.

My Mavs perspective is that they need something very good to make it worthwhile to move Harris for Kidd. Maybe that is Outlaw or Webster.

From my Portland perspective, Harris is the perfect addition. He is only 24 and has a lot of playoff experience, including the Finals. He is also one of the most intelligent players on the Mavs. Despite being the youngest starter, he was voted a team captain. And he is still not close to reaching his full potential. His only real weakness is against the bulkier PGs like Baron Davis. His 3pt shooting is often questioned, but he is shooting 36% this year and 32% for his career. I expect Oden to be a terrific defensive player, so adding a terrific defensive PG to go with a dominant C is and exceptional combination. Harris would have a chance to be Portland's best player. So of course you trade your entire bench and picks for a guy like that.

But, I think this is just a rumor and the Mavs will not trade Harris.