Official Jason Kidd Thread

[B-Scott]

I prefer John Hollingers trade

Kwame, Mihm, Ariza, Crittenton and draft picks

C Bynum
PF Lamar
SF Kobe
SG Sasha
PG Kidd

Bench

C Turiaf
PF Rad
SF Luke
SG Fisher
PG Farmar

We get Kidd without losing our best rebounder at the 4, and keep Turiaf as a backup coming off the bench. Plus we keep Farmar

[J Rob]

I prefer John Hollingers trade

Kwame, Mihm, Ariza, Crittenton and draft picks

C Bynum
PF Lamar
SF Kobe
SG Sasha
PG Kidd

Bench

C Turiaf
PF Rad
SF Luke
SG Fisher
PG Farmar

We get Kidd without losing our best rebounder at the 4, and keep Turiaf as a backup coming off the bench. Plus we keep Farmar

If the Nets would take that deal (unlikely), I'd do it yesterday.

Its no secret I'm totally against trading Farmar and to keep Odom and Turiaf on top of it...well its too good to be true.

Which is also why it would never happen.

[Gerald3Wallace]

kwame, vlad, puke walton, 2 first rounders

for kidd

hah

rape

[chefy]

thorn doesnt want a pg in return for kidd

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?topic=755656

[B-Scott]

The Lakers are not expected to be a player in a trade for New Jersey's Jason Kidd, a source said.

The Nets, with a 19-26 record, reportedly are shopping Kidd, who is indisputably ready to go, having said, "It's time to move on."

Bryant, who once pushed for a Bynum-Kidd trade, isn't going that far anymore. Jackson is thought to be skeptical about bringing in the 34-year-old point guard

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... 307.column

[salsaking]

LOL@ B-SCott..... ahahahaha

Hopefully we can unload Odom + trash for kidd

[B-Scott]

Your laughing,but the bottom line is Mitch and Phil side with me

The Nets offered Kidd for Lamar and Farmar earlier in the season and the Lakers said no.

Lakers are not desperate and they can care less about internet message board trades. If they listen to the fans,we would have traded Bynum for Artest 2 years ago and Kidd last season.

Thank God they dont pay attention to message boards.

You dont trade big for small and lose your rebounding. Especially for a 34 year old PG. If your trading your best PF,you get back another in return.

[crazyeights]

Miles these posts comparing Farmar and Kidd's impact only span through this season though.

Yes, we make the trade now and we're contenders, but Kidd's impact is soon going to diminish and Farmar will just turning into a very legit starter.

Right now, when healthy, we're contenders without Kidd, and we also aren't damaging our future, but investing in it.

Yes, but we haven't been healthy. And, unless we're actually contending for the title, no, I don't think that makes us contenders. Bynum injured his kneecap. It was also reported that Bynum has a history of knee problems, that he's struggled with this in the past. What happens when Bynum, God forbid, suffers a career ending injury? It's happened. Greg Oden is out before even playing his first NBA game. After half a season, we're ready to build around Bynum and Farmar instead of 10+ seasons of elite basketball from Kobe?

I think it makes more business sense to hold onto Farmar while we have Bynum. They could potentially have very fruitful careers together for the next 15 years. Why break that up for maybe 2 shots at the title?

What happens if Bynum isn't ready, and/or we get bounced out of the 1st round again? What happens if Kobe ops out? Then maybe we get NO shots at the title.

I'm just saying, look at the Heat. They mortgaged their future on Shaq and one title. Riley sold his soul to the devil and now they're paying for it.

That's a bit dramatic.

Miles, the Bynum knee injury is completely off-base. That's not what was reported, he had knee problems growing up as a kid. Now you're saying he's going to have a career ending injury? It was a different knee. He's supposed to fully recover. Until I read otherwise, I'm not going to treat the situation any other way.

And if you're keeping score. Kobe's had knee surgery, not Bynum...so wouldn't it be more probable that Kobe has the medical history?

I'm tired of the scare tactics here. We're not going after Jason Kidd. You're calling me dramatic? Anyone that saw that Shaq trade knows the Heat had a very slim window. Then all the walking dead came over to win a ring and now they're a team of past their prime experienced players, in experienced newbies, and an injured D-Wade.

Seriously man, I think you need to ask yourself what's more important: Kobe's legacy, or the Lakers'. Because you're more worried about the former.

And the Lakers brass have also pondered that same question, and came up with not going for Kidd. Which I think makes the most business sense.

[LLcoleJ]

Your laughing,but the bottom line is Mitch and Phil side with me

The Nets offered Kidd for Lamar and Farmar earlier in the season and the Lakers said no.

Lakers are not desperate and they can care less about internet message board trades. If they listen to the fans,we would have traded Bynum for Artest 2 years ago and Kidd last season.

Thank God they dont pay attention to message boards.

You dont trade big for small and lose your rebounding. Especially for a 34 year old PG. If your trading your best PF,you get back another in return.

Lose your rebounding? Kidd averages about the same as LO. Our best PF is not that good at times. We cant rely on him.

but I have to laugh when you say... Phil and Mitch side with you and thank god they dont listen to message boards.
I have said that to you before and your response? Phil is OVERATED!!!!

Trading LO and Farmar for Kidd is overpaying and I wouldnt do the deal. However, if there is deal that was minus Farmar and centered around LO I would do it in a second, and every other GM would too.

[-G-]

Your laughing,but the bottom line is Mitch and Phil side with me

Man, for someone who's always talked about how a good PG would be more valuable to this team than Kobe, you sure hate Kidd.

[milesfides]

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Miles, the Bynum knee injury is completely off-base. That's not what was reported, he had knee problems growing up as a kid. Now you're saying he's going to have a career ending injury? It was a different knee. He's supposed to fully recover. Until I read otherwise, I'm not going to treat the situation any other way.

And if you're keeping score. Kobe's had knee surgery, not Bynum...so wouldn't it be more probable that Kobe has the medical history?

"We do know that Andrew's had a knee problem in the past, when he was a kid," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said. "We do know there's some liability there."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280113013

I'm tired of the scare tactics here.

Scare tactics? What scare tactics. I'm just saying nothing is guaranteed, except Kobe. Because Kobe has played at an elite level for 10+ years. And he's still arguably the best player in the game playing at his prime. You bet on a guy like that, period.

We're not going after Jason Kidd. You're calling me dramatic? Anyone that saw that Shaq trade knows the Heat had a very slim window. Then all the walking dead came over to win a ring and now they're a team of past their prime experienced players, in experienced newbies, and an injured D-Wade.

Yeah, and for many, it was a worthwhile trade for the Heat. That's how difficult it is and rewarding it is to win a championship. But in our case, we have an even better future because we have a 29-year-old Kobe, a 20-year-old Bynum - this is like the BEGINNING of the three peat Lakers, not the Heat. That's why we should get high quality veterans that are found on every championship team.

Seriously man, I think you need to ask yourself what's more important: Kobe's legacy, or the Lakers'. Because you're more worried about the former.

Nah, that's a cheap shot and completely off-base. The only person who's separating Kobe's legacy with the Lakers is you. Because Kobe is a Laker. His legacy is the Lakers' legacy. His success brings the Lakers' success. It's undeniable that he's that important to our team.

What makes more sense, trying to win now while Kobe is in his prime, or when Farmar gets into his, sometime in the future?

I can ask you the same question:

"Seriously man, I think you need to ask yourself what's more important: [Farmar's] legacy, or the Lakers'. Because you're more worried about the former."

[incontrol__]

I'm tired of the scare tactics here. We're not going after Jason Kidd. You're calling me dramatic? Anyone that saw that Shaq trade knows the Heat had a very slim window.

Why are you comparing the Kidd trade to the Shaq trade?

The Heat's problem is that they have Wade and nothing (little) else, with Shaq being paid 20 million a year for the next three years while he's pretty much done.

One of the biggest problems for the Heat is that they gave Shaq a five year $100 million extension which was 2-3 years too long and are now paying for THAT. They can't really get signifact capspace until 2010.

Kidd's likely to have 2-3 years left. His contract is on the books for this season and next season.

.... So, basically, you think we have a great shot at winning in the next 5 years with Kobe-Bynum-Odom-Farmar (+others), but you think our future competitiveness would be absolutely trashed if we got rid of Farmar?

With a Kwame-Vlad-Farmar for Kidd trade we keep a core of Bynum, Crittenton, and Turiaf for the future. Once Kidd is gone (2-3 years?) we'll either have a fair bit of capspace (2010 plan) the season after (if he's done after next season), or that offseason to add to the core of Kobe-Bynum-Crittenton.

What makes more sense, trying to win now while Kobe is in his prime, or when Farmar gets into his, sometime in the future?

Seriously. This is the perfect oppurtunity to build a dynasty type team.

Bynum is just starting to dominate, Kobe is in his prime and playing like the best (or 2nd/3rd best depending on your opinion/view) player in the league.

Kidd would help Bynum's progree a TON. Help make the Kobe-Bynum duo even more formidable in that he'll signifantly help BOTH Kobe and Bynum (not to mention Odom, etc). And we STILL keep Turiaf, and Crittenton, and keep the 2010 plan intact.

ETA:

Regardless, i don't think it matters whether we would accept the deal or not, New Jersey's unlikely to like the prospect of taking on Vlad's deal at all.

And the Lakers brass have also pondered that same question, and came up with not going for Kidd. Which I think makes the most business sense.

Lol. It's not fact that they're not going after Kidd.

Emplay is a much better source, IMO.

The Los Angeles Lakers weren't willing to trade Andrew Bynum last year and don't appear interested in moving Lamar Odom at this time. LA doesn't appear as interested unless the Nets were willing to accept a watered down deal built around Kwame Brown, Vladimir Radmanovic and one of their young guards. As it is, the Lakers are so injury depleted - it would be difficult to make any trade that thins out their frontcourt.

Link.

[salsaking]

B-Scott, it's amazing to see someone so full of alcides on this board. Are you really Lamar's agent in disguise? The Lakers would be much better with Kidd instead of Odom. We don't need a guy that only shows up to play once in a while against garbage teams.

[LLcoleJ]

B-Scott, it's amazing to see someone so full of alcides on this board. Are you really Lamar's agent in disguise? The Lakers would be much better with Kidd instead of Odom. We don't need a guy that only shows up to play once in a while against garbage teams.

full of what?

[J Rob]

B-Scott, it's amazing to see someone so full of alcides on this board. Are you really Lamar's agent in disguise? The Lakers would be much better with Kidd instead of Odom. We don't need a guy that only shows up to play once in a while against garbage teams.

Alc...what?

Salsa, although I might agree with what you're saying about Kidd, its entirely hypocritical to be calling out B-Scott for his Odom love when you have just as big of a man crush on Sun Yue (whose never played an NBA game).

[Slava]

I'd love to see one of these big stars put their money where their mouth is. If you really are badly willing to play for a contender, why not negotiate a buy out and join someone good with a big pay cut?

I bet neither Kidd nor someone like Shaq/Kobe/AI/JO/KG would ever think about that. Not even when they are around 38 something.

[crazyeights]

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Nah, that's a cheap shot and completely off-base. The only person who's separating Kobe's legacy with the Lakers is you. Because Kobe is a Laker. His legacy is the Lakers' legacy. His success brings the Lakers' success. It's undeniable that he's that important to our team.

What makes more sense, trying to win now while Kobe is in his prime, or when Farmar gets into his, sometime in the future?

I can ask you the same question:

"Seriously man, I think you need to ask yourself what's more important: [Farmar's] legacy, or the Lakers'. Because you're more worried about the former."

I'm not worried about Farmar's legacy. You're the one who is insane over Kobe. Nothing is guaranteed, except Kobe?

Is Kobe guaranteed against a broken leg or something? Kobe is a **** Iron Man -- we all know that. But give me a break with that crap. Not scare tactics? Going from Phil saying once that Bynum had a knee "problem" as a kid and equating it to something leading to a career ending injury. So what's your agenda?

The first thing you said when Bynum was injured was something along the lines of: No worries, now it's Kobe time all the time.

The kid was just injured and you're celebrating so Kobe can prove how important he is to the team. We all know what Kobe means to this team. He doesn't have to prove it anymore. We need the rest of the team now to prove we're contenders.

I want us to win and CONTINUE to win. A self-perpetuated winning machine. Not just win once or twice then rebuild. Because I don't want to have the same conversations we're having about Kobe with Bynum.

The Lakers screwed up when rebuilding with Kobe. They didn't get the right people around him. We've long established the woes of Lamar, Kwame, Mihm, Smush, and Vlad.

IMO Farmar is a longterm investment towards Bynum's progress. They're our D-Will and Boozer. They can grow together. Only Bynum can be much more dominant than Boozer ever could because of his size, and they're both insanely young.

I don't want to hear we're wasting Bynum's prime in 6 years because Kobe has finally give the organization 10,000% and we've traded all the youth we had to get guys like Kidd who won't be around then.

The problem with the Shaq years is we didn't keep a steady flow of young talent. Which is difficult to do when you're contending because your picks are so high. If all goes to plan and if we get healthy, we might not be getting so many Bynum's, Farmar's, or Critts for a while. That's why we have to hold onto them while we can, unless it's for someone that works within our system.

Yes we need playmakers in the triangle. But I believe Farmar is a playmaker, he's a stud, and though while it's very very slim chances he'll even be near as great as Jason Kidd, I think it's safe to assume an decade of play is more impacting than two years.

Jason Kidd is 34 years old. Farmar is 21. That's a huge difference. Farmar came out of college only last year, and he's playing most of the minutes in crunch time...essentially our top PG. The kid is only going to get better.

I don't think going into this season anyone thought we'd truly contend with the team we have now, but we're playing up there already. And our team is only going to improve. Next year Bynum and Jordan are going to be ready for a legit 82-game campaign right there with Kobe. I'm not looking or expecting for them to even win this year, it's next year that's key IMO.

Winning this year would be absolutely beyond saying we're ahead of schedule. I mean people predicted we weren't even going into the playoffs, now when healthy Hollinger is drowning in a pool of his old Kobe haterade.

I just believe that Kidd now isn't a good idea for the future, but that's just an ideological Laker nation debate.

Miles, I've said it before and I'll say it again I greatly respect you as a poster. But we just disagree on a few principles and that's fine, this forum wouldn't be fun without disagreements and differing perspectives.

I just wish you'd let more of your Kobe respect trickle down to some of our other players, because as Kobe's said "we're contenders" with them.

[salsaking]

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Alc...what?

Salsa, although I might agree with what you're saying about Kidd, its entirely hypocritical to be calling out B-Scott for his Odom love when you have just as big of a man crush on Sun Yue (whose never played an NBA game).

Hey buddy, you've been hassling me on this board with your racist anti sun yue (and anti asian bballers) remarks since the day I joined this board. Please don't bring that stuff up again because it is very immature. The mods are on the alert this time and will ban you.

[incontrol__]

...Anyway,

alcides.

alcides

noun
(classical mythology) a hero noted for his strength; performed 12 immense labors to gain immortality [syn: Hercules]

[-G-]

Oh come on, you all know he meant accolades.

But um, Kwame, Mihm, Ariza, and Sasha for Kidd. Get it done.