All Star Reserves

[Ballings7]

Since when is RIP Hamilton exciting? I don't think running around and taking midrange jumpers off of screens is very exciting.

The simplicity and execution of that is enjoyable for me. Exciting? Not all the time, but sometimes, sure.

Also have to remember Rip's shooting and play-making ability would be valued by the coaches for the game.

[MagicFan3]

If we are talking about 2 of these three getting in (Hedo, Jamsion, and PP) I'd go with Jamison and PP.

Here is a blurb from the Daily Dime:

Melody (LA): Hedo Turkoglu has to be an all-star, even if it means Jamison gets left out! If any team besides boston deserves two all-stars, isn't Orlando the easy pick? A la - better record???

John Hollinger: If you look back at every lame All-Star pick from the past decade, it was when coaches went for the second-best player on a team with a winning record to "reward" them for their start (Woo-hoo. I'm sure the coaching staff and the other 11 players were thrilled). Then we look back a year later and go "wait, Mehmet Okur made the All-Star team?" Turkoglu had a nice year so far, but he hasn't been one of the 12 best in the East.

If Hollinger said Hedo is not an All-Star...

Congratulations to Hedo Turkoglu, who has just become an all-star lock!

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The simplicity and execution of that is enjoyable for me. Exciting? Not all the time, but sometimes, sure.

Also have to remember Rip's shooting and play-making ability would be valued by the coaches for the game.

Yea and watching Calderon execute a perfectly run PG game is not valued by the coaches? Come on... I didn't even put Calderon in my picks for the reserves but he definitely deserves to be considered and some of the arguments being put against him (like Rip is more exciting or has good shooting and play-making ability) is laughable.

[_venom_]

Here are the per 40 stats for Billups, Kidd, and Calderon:

Kidd- 12.1 PP40, .366 FG%, .343 3P%, .808 FT%, 8.7 RP40, 11.1 AP40, 1.6 SP40, AST/TO of 2.81, PER of 16.05

Billups- 21.1 PP40, .458 FG%, .411 3P%, .909 FT%, 3.5 RP40, 8.4 AP40, 1.7 SPG, AST/TO of 3.49, PER of 24.76

Calderon- 15.5 PP40, .518 FG%, .441 3P%, .915 FT%, 4.0 RP40, 11.0 AP40, 1.4 SPG, AST/TO of 5.49, PER of 22.12

The guy is putting up ELITE numbers and yet some people are just scoffing at him even being considered for a position against he likes of Joe Johnson, RIP Hamilton, Josh Smith or Gerald Wallace. What a joke. I hope that the NBA coaches aren't as pointless as some of you are. Oh and don't give me that defense argument because if that was the case then Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, and Amare Stoudemire shouldn't be in the game either. Also, Jason Kidd's defense is so overrated it's not even funny. The guy is a shell of his former self on the defensive end and he gets destroyed all the time by the opposing PG.

[cb4_89]

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Yeah but their both more exciting to watch then Calderon and Turk and put up better or equal stats to them.

Rip hamilton isn't exiting to watch at all. JJ is but Rip isn't exiting at all.

[MagicFan3]

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Yeah but their both more exciting to watch then Calderon and Turk and put up better or equal stats to them.

wtf? An uprising PG isn't exciting to watch? How about two game-winners?

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Calderon averages 12.3 points per game, he doesn't even take 10 shots a game, he only makes 1 3 pointer a game, he only takes 2 free throws a game, so his percentage there is crap, he doesn't turn it over so much because he arguably isn't even the third option on offense and he plays horrible defense.

When you compare him to Billups, who is the 2nd option on offense in a team oriented system, makes 2 three pointers, is rated higher in efficiency and plays great defense.

And then with Kidd, who the only thing he does wrong shooting, but hes never been a great shooter, and everyones making a big deal out of it all of a sudden for no apparent reason. Kidd hasn't changed one bit, just everyone's impression of him has because of his trade demands.

[TheRaptor!]

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Is that kinda like how Miami was going to be significantly better than Orlando this season?

I never liked Miami, so no, I never said that, but we will have a better record then the Magic. I'll call u out at the end of the season.

Damn it everytime i said Raptors will have a better record, you are there to disagree.

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Calderon averages 12.3 points per game, he doesn't even take 10 shots a game, he only makes 1 3 pointer a game, he only takes 2 free throws a game, so his percentage there is crap, he doesn't turn it over so much because he arguably isn't even the third option on offense and he plays horrible defense.

When you compare him to Billups, who is the 2nd option on offense in a team oriented system, makes 2 three pointers, is rated higher in efficiency and plays great defense.

And then with Kidd, who the only thing he does wrong shooting, but hes never been a great shooter, and everyones making a big deal out of it all of a sudden for no apparent reason. Kidd hasn't changed one bit, just everyone's impression of him has because of his trade demands.

Since becoming the starter Calderon has become the second option no question. You keep looking at the stats as they are but you fail to realize that Calderon is averaging only 31 minutes per game. The guy has been averaging 40 minutes a game since Ford's injury, his shot attempts have gone way up and his percentages have stayed the same. If Calderon took 20 shots a game, he'd be scoring more than Billups but he doesn't because that's not Toronto's system. Calderon along with Deron Williams and Steve Nash are the only PGs shooting over 50% from the field. Jason Kidd has always been a bad shooter but he has always made up for it with his elite playmaking and his defense. This year however his defense is not very good, and he is turning the ball over so much that it puts a huge damper on his assist numbers. Him demanding a trade has nothing to do with how he's played this year. You'd think that an elite PG like him alogn with two all-star wing players could do a bit better than 6 games under .500.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Billups takes 2 more shots a game, if Billups took 20 shots a game he would be averaging more too and he would average more then Calderon because of Calderon's lack of free throws. The guy only takes 2 a game. If Billups took that, he'd probably be close to a 100%.

And Kidd is on the downside of his career, but the nets failing isn't his fault. They are going with a youth movement up front and Carter looks nonexistent on the court at times.

[BooRadley]

With SA's recent skid, both TP and Manu are both out, leaving room for Baron and Roy. Much better.

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Billups takes 2 more shots a game, if Billups took 20 shots a game he would be averaging more too and he would average more then Calderon because of Calderon's lack of free throws. The guy only takes 2 a game. If Billups took that, he'd probably be close to a 100%.

And Kidd is on the downside of his career, but the nets failing isn't his fault. They are going with a youth movement up front and Carter looks nonexistent on the court at times.

How can you possibly come with the idea that if Billups took 2 free throws a game, he would shoot 100%. That has no logic too is whatsoever. Free throw percentage generally stays within the same range no matter how many free throws you take. Calderon has taken enough to show that he can hit them at a high clip. Whether you want to admit it or not, Calderon is more efficient offensively than Billups, other than getting to the free throw line. And I'm not even arguing that Calderon is better than Billups because he's not but he should be in the discussion for the last couple of all-star spots. When Calderon was playing 20 minutes everyone wondered if he could maintain his percentages if he played starters minutes and he has proven that he can. Calderon is flat out a top notch shooter in the NBA.

[bstein14]

Milwaukee's Coach on his picks...

The coaches are told to choose two guards, two forwards, one center and two wild-card players at any position, so it was suggested to Krystkowiak that he possibly could name five of his choices and leave some mystery surrounding his two wild cards.

"The guys that didn't take me long to think about were Chauncey (Billups) and Rip (Hamilton)," Krystkowiak said. "I liked those guys at the guard position. Chris Bosh and Caron Butler. And Rashard Lewis down in Orlando."

[legacyinthemakin89c]

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How can you possibly come with the idea that if Billups took 2 free throws a game, he would shoot 100%. That has no logic too is whatsoever. Free throw percentage generally stays within the same range no matter how many free throws you take. Calderon has taken enough to show that he can hit them at a high clip. Whether you want to admit it or not, Calderon is more efficient offensively than Billups, other than getting to the free throw line. And I'm not even arguing that Calderon is better than Billups because he's not but he should be in the discussion for the last couple of all-star spots. When Calderon was playing 20 minutes everyone wondered if he could maintain his percentages if he played starters minutes and he has proven that he can. Calderon is flat out a top notch shooter in the NBA.

The more free throws you take, the more you tend to miss, I guarantee if Calderon took more then 2 a game, he wouldn't hit them at the clip he is. And when it comes to the last few all star spots, he is in the discussion but there are players who deserve it more then he does in my opinion. Hamilton is an overall better player, and is on a way better team. And so is Ray Allen. So when your in the discussion and you have to pick between one of those three, Calderon won't make it. I'm not saying he isn't a very good player, because he is, but he's not an all star.

[bstein14]

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The more free throws you take, the more you tend to miss, I guarantee if Calderon took more then 2 a game, he wouldn't hit them at the clip he is.

I don't think there's any statistical evidence to back this up.

I know that there is likely a correlation to minutes played affecting FTs... its harder to hit them when you're winded for the majority of players.

[Carnage]

Milwaukee's Coach on his picks...

The coaches are told to choose two guards, two forwards, one center and two wild-card players at any position, so it was suggested to Krystkowiak that he possibly could name five of his choices and leave some mystery surrounding his two wild cards.

"The guys that didn't take me long to think about were Chauncey (Billups) and Rip (Hamilton)," Krystkowiak said. "I liked those guys at the guard position. Chris Bosh and Caron Butler. And Rashard Lewis down in Orlando."

No mention of the 2 wildcard spots?

[MagicFan3]

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I never liked Miami, so no, I never said that, but we will have a better record then the Magic. I'll call u out at the end of the season.

Damn it everytime i said Raptors will have a better record, you are there to disagree.

Please do call me out. You can quote me on it too. Magic will finish with a better record than the Raptors.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

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I don't think there's any statistical evidence to back this up.

I know that there is likely a correlation to minutes played affecting FTs... its harder to hit them when you're winded for the majority of players.

Basically my whole point was when it comes to free throw shooting, every aspect of it, getting to the line, shooting the free throw in every situation, clutch or no clutch, it would be idiotic to pick Calderon over Billups

[Kosta]

Milwaukee's Coach on his picks...

The coaches are told to choose two guards, two forwards, one center and two wild-card players at any position, so it was suggested to Krystkowiak that he possibly could name five of his choices and leave some mystery surrounding his two wild cards.

"The guys that didn't take me long to think about were Chauncey (Billups) and Rip (Hamilton)," Krystkowiak said. "I liked those guys at the guard position. Chris Bosh and Caron Butler. And Rashard Lewis down in Orlando."

Larry K.

[MagicFan3]

Milwaukee's Coach on his picks...

The coaches are told to choose two guards, two forwards, one center and two wild-card players at any position, so it was suggested to Krystkowiak that he possibly could name five of his choices and leave some mystery surrounding his two wild cards.

"The guys that didn't take me long to think about were Chauncey (Billups) and Rip (Hamilton)," Krystkowiak said. "I liked those guys at the guard position. Chris Bosh and Caron Butler. And Rashard Lewis down in Orlando."

I hope that was a really bad typo for Hedo Turkoglu.