Bosh/Calderon is the future...

[galeon110]

lmao, TJ vs Jose threads should be accepted in this forum. It's bound to happen when you have 2 great PG's on one team. As for the OP's comments, and all the Jose supporters in general... what's wrong with you people? All this crap about Jose playing into the starting role and how Jose's performance is so good as a starter that he should be the starter and the PG moving forward... where is this load of bs coming from?

Let me remind you guys of something Jose's only been starting for 2 months. Yes he's proven is a great PG but has he really showed that he's more deserving of the starting role? in a matter of 2 months on the job?

It's typical from this board. It's the "What have you done for me lately" concept time and time again. Where is all the loyalty? Last time I checked, TJ was the starter that lead us to the playoffs last year and the PG that lead us to our 47 wins. TJ was the PG out of the 2 who put up better numbers when the two are given similar minutes. And now because TJ's injured and Jose gets to play, might I add, A LOT of minutes, he gets the starting job and glory? While TJ sits on the sidelines unable to prove himself that he's the better PG?

Numbers speak for themselves guys and stats say that TJ plays better with less minutes than Jose with more. And TJ's played as the starter of this team for a season and a half and he demonstrated a great sense of leadership. Disagree? 47 wins - starting PG = TJ Ford

[Rapcity_11]

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he was the one who kept us in the game with those timely 3's and his trips to the FT line.. the Ford argument, even when he is injured, is just irrelevant to begin with. Who else is hitting their shots besides Jose and Bosh anyways? Delfino is as streaky as they come, Andrea is as soft as they come and not even making his f'in shots, kapono just seems lost on the floor and doesn't even come off the screens for the Open J, If AP's corner 3 aint goin' the rest of his offence is rattled, Moon is nowhere the scorer we need.. who else is there to score for us?

I think that what he means is that when the offense is stagnating or not running smooth, jose needs to step up and look for his offense. He's good enough to do it and the team needs him to.

[darew9392]

well having one point guard hasnt helped us in anyway. our record with tj and calderon was 12-10 our record with only calderon has been 12-10. this teams needs tj back period

[NetsForce]

I called it last year, Calderon > Ford.

I'm glad to see that many people here have finally started to catch on.

[Young_Buc]

well having one point guard hasnt helped us in anyway. our record with tj and calderon was 12-10 our record with only calderon has been 12-10. this teams needs tj back period

I think there are a couple variables at work here

1) Calderon doesn't have much of a backup (though I don't think Dixon has been terrible in the backup role or detrimental to out losses, its still worth noting)

and most important

Chris Bosh was a completely different player for those first 24, whether injured or sucky. COMPLETELY different.

Roles reversed, Ford has a few 30-40 point nights (he had a few in limited minutes... if he got 40? he'd have more than a few)

a couple 15-20+ assist games (he does get assists in bunches, with ford its either 10+ or 6 with many TO's)

Probably more all star recognition too... Although, I don't think he's going to be the same player again. This is all moot.

[Nia]

uh! the endless TJ vs Jose threads..........

Anyways!

There's ONLY ONE FUTURE OF THE RAPTORS, and His name is not Jose, Bargs or TJ. It is CHRIS BOSH.......... When TJ is 100% Healthy then we can talk about who's the future of TJ vs Jose, or maybe its ALL THREE or EVEN FOUR if Bargs can get his act together and keep developing, But as it stands out RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY CB4...................

[magani]

well having one point guard hasnt helped us in anyway. our record with tj and calderon was 12-10 our record with only calderon has been 12-10. this teams needs tj back period

This is more an indictment on Tj than Jose. How would TJ have fared all on his own with dixon and DMart backing him up? This record is a great reflection on Jose.

[daswunderboy]

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This is more an indictment on Tj than Jose. How would TJ have fared all on his own with dixon and DMart backing him up? This record is a great reflection on Jose.

Yeah, the record early in the season had nothing to do with Bosh being horrible due to missing the preseason and not playing at all in the summer, and getting a knee injury early.

Or nothing to do with the team not having a starting SF due to Garbo being hurt and ineffective, or the new starter, Kapono showing that he is a 6th man at best, or Joey Graham showing that he only belongs in garbage time.

Nope. Let's blame the losses on pretty much the only guy who played to win those games (and mind you, we were still 12-10).

[CB4-TJ11-AB7]

I think its unfair to compare TJ and Caldy this season and right now simply because of the situations they've played in. I mean Caldy has had 40+ minutes a night and a very healthy Bosh. The Raptors are also a team that start rounding into form around January. Now I'm not discrediting Caldy cause I love the guy but I mean TJ carried this team for the first 2 months of the season. That Atlanta game was the TJ that we would've seen all season. He was becoming the guard we wanted. You saw it that night, he carried the team, controlled and created.

It's really too bad he hasn't had a chance to play because people are quickly forgetting how good of a player TJ is. I mean we keep saying how young Caldy is and how he can learn but the same can be said of TJ. His learning is experience, he's got the tools to run and play with the best.

I don't know who's better (although I think a healthy TJ is deadly), I don't care who starts as long as the better guy finishes the game. I think we can get them 30+ mins a night, play them together for about 10 mins a game. TJ at point and Caldy at teh other guard with Moon, Bosh and Bargs or Rasho.

I want both of those guys here because they can bring so much to the table. TJ is also really good with our unheralded guys that we will need come playoff time. He finds Kapono, Rasho and Hump with ease. Those guys haven't been the same since he went down.

Hopefully they can both stay here and have fruitful careers.

[xAIRNESSx]

I called it last year, Calderon > Ford.

I'm glad to see that many people here have finally started to catch on.

I was the biggest Ford fan when we first traded for him. When last season started and Jose was playing well off the bench, some people started saying that Calderon was the better player. I always said then, that he's only playing against bench opponents. But after watching him consistently step into the starting role and flurish from last season to this season, I have to say that Jose's the better PG. I know all the Calderon haters love to rag on his defense, but for everything else he does, he's an amazing pg. I still love TJ, but Jose has earned the starter's spot.

[etopn23]

The Future?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=13gVMuGhK3g&feature=user

[csean_benetton]

If he improves his defence, possibly.

But as of now it's atrocious. He can't contain anyone. If we get an evil shot blocker in there sure, but he gets exposed by any guard with any sort of quicks. And before the inevitable Nash comparison comes up, IMO Nash is an infinitely better team defender than Jose is.

INFINITELY is a bit of a stretch.... But obviously his D has to improve. I made the Nash comparisons with Jose last year, and not only because both are white Nash developed slowly, and certainly wasn't the MVP-level force he is now, back when he was in his 2nd year (I'm talking about last year for Jose). Nash was able to develop slowly and without tons of expectations early on. As Jose is doing. Nash has improved EVERY aspect of his game over time, slowly, and we have to hope Jose can continue to do so. He has really improved his outside shooting (like Nash did), which improves ANY pass-first PG's game, as the other D can't lay off him. Nash is not really even an average defender at PG at this point in time, though this may be mainly to his age, as he became an elite PG at an age older than most. Jose is 26, tall and well built for a PG, and he has to get stronger, though without losing quickness. He is young enough to do so. He has shown a willingness to work hard in the offseason on his weaknesses (witness his shooting, and his cutting down on "flashy" one-handed passes; his endurance has improved too: witness the fact he wasn't expected to play full-time starter's minutes, together with the fact he was playing for Spain last offseason!). I think Jose's story is that of the vast majority of NBA players: most have the physique and talent to be outstanding, or they wouldn't be there; how many times have we heard that a guy has all the natural tools, talent, etc., if only he dedicates himself and works hard. The same thing many say about Bargnani (Tyrus Thomas, Charlie V, Kwame Brown, etc.)... But another factor is pressure (or the lack of same) and/or pride, re. where one is drafted. Don't forget that Jose was not drafted. That's got to drive him too.

Anyway, far too long-winded post, so sorry. We'll have to wait on Jose to see how much he continues to drive himself to improve, especially after this, his first season as a starter. But, this will also be the first OFF season when he's due for a big contract, when the league knows what he can do, when he won't have to play for Spain, etc. Will he get a big contract and then let down, get soft?