GT: Wizards @ Raptors (Part 2) 1-30-08

Zerocious · Post #161 » by **Zerocious** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:31 am

hey we lost, suprise.

P'Oed · Post #162 » by **P'Oed** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:33 am

the fact that we won one of these games is amazing...big ups to the team

99 Problems · Post #163 » by **99 Problems** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:36 am

When is Gil coming back for you guys anyway? I thought he might take the entire season off... if we're matched up in the first round do you expect him to play?

gowiz999 · Post #164 » by **gowiz999** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:54 am

Just got done watching most of the replay. AJ is so damn pathetic on offense. It almost makes me not want the front office to re-sign him. AD deserves to be benched for Roger. Man what has happened to our defense? Looks like we are back to leaving 3 point shooters wide open again and again. Also, what the **** is Young's problem?? He has a terrible attitude and he is playing mediocre.

btw, Did the Raptors play last night too?? We seemed a lot more tired and lazy than them. :roll:

jholmbe1 · Post #165 » by **jholmbe1** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:08 am

gowiz999 wrote:Just got done watching most of the replay. AJ is so damn pathetic on offense. It almost makes me not want the front office to re-sign him. AD deserves to be benched for Roger. Man what has happened to our defense? Looks like we are back to leaving 3 point shooters wide open again and again. Also, what the **** is Young's problem?? He has a terrible attitude and he is playing mediocre.

btw, Did the Raptors play last night too?? We seemed a lot more tired and lazy than them.

I think you meant to say AJ is pathetic on defense but your whole point of not wanting to resign him is ridiculous and so short sighted. You don't want to resign the guy who just put up 24 and 20 the night before? Really? You see any other players capable of putting up his numbers knocking down the door to play for the Wiz?

We had a bad game, get over it. Jamison played over 50 minutes the night before, obviously he was not going to have a great game. Our two best players are injured and our center got in early foul trouble.

If you are such a fair weather fan that you can come on here and post that Jamison should not resign one night after he put up a 20-20 game, then we are better off without you. Posts like yours are the reason this board can be unbearable at times.

gowiz999 · Post #166 » by **gowiz999** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:18 am

Who are you?

Jamison just is not an efficient offensive player. Matter of fact I think he hurts this team on the offensive and defensive end aside from getting rebounds (definitely his strength). He takes the absolute worst shots and I mean WORST shots imaginable in the worst situations. AJ has offensive skills but he tries to do things that he is not capable of doing well (shooting ill-advised 3s, shooting long 2s, etc). I am not basing this on 1 game either; I have watched every Wizards game for the last 5+ years. If we were to re-sign AJ he would have to come off the bench. Ideally AB would continue to improve and hopefully be able to start next season.

jholmbe1 · Post #167 » by **jholmbe1** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:24 am

That makes sense...Jamison goes out and (probably) makes his second all star game as a Wizard and then you want to bring him off the bench? That would have to be the first time that has ever happened in the NBA and not to mention completely asinine.

Granted Jamison takes a lot of shots, some of them bad. His role in this offense is to score, especially when Gil is out injured. ESPECIALLY when Caron and Gil are out injured. If you have some bias against Jamison then just say so because then you would not look so dumb trying to argue that a 20-10 all star should be a role player. I'd hate to see what our record would be this year without AJ.

Post #168 » by **miller31time** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:27 am

Regarding the Wizards moving the ball more and key players getting more touches, it's an incorrect misconception.

There was a great article written by Kevin Broom that, statistically points out why (so there can be no misunderstanding).

I'm posting on my iPod so I can't link anything, but if you can find it, it's worth reading.

Indiana Jones · Post #169 » by **Indiana Jones** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:40 am

closg00 wrote:We need a good PG badly, look our assist numbers vs our opponents, pretty bad.

tj for anyone of your big three perhaps??? ah forget it, just wishful thinking!! if butler and jamison aren't in the AS game, it's a crime. i'm a raps fan, but i love those two guys. antawn is the most unorthodox player i've ever seen.

ImissJordan · Post #170 » by **ImissJordan** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:57 am

JWiLL02 wrote:As a Raptor fan I can't understand what the hell there is to be bragging about. I'm seeing guys who normally seem like decent posters on the Raps board coming in here spewing total BS that they themselves probably don't believe (talking to you imissjordan).

You're right on the money, JWiLL.

I would actually like to apologize for my behavior earlier; I don't normally retaliate, and it was extremely immature for me to do so.

If I really believed the Wizards were a lousy team I wouldn't take the time to come onto their board and talk junk.

RickRoll_inDC · Post #171 » by **RickRoll_inDC** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:05 am

well, when i turned on the game, we were already down 20+. all i saw was Mason, Young, McGuire, Songaila, Pecherov........no real offense being worked, lots of bad shots. i think we scored two points off of Songaila FT's between the 8 minute and 3 minute mark of the 4th quarter.

i know that it shouldn't matter too much since we had already lost, but Mason, Young, etc. are NBA PLAYERS! THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN EJ'S OFFENSE!

it had no affect on the game, but it just frustrated me that we can't run an offense. my high-school team can (occasionally:roll: ) run an offense, but an NBA team including guys who have played middle school, high school, college and pro basketball before should be able to run an offense. it's not like Toronto was really trying all that hard to play defense towards the end.

disappointing loss. it's fun to see the young guys play, but not when it looks nothing like basketball

Rhythm043 · Post #172 » by **Rhythm043** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:11 am

fishercob wrote:Wiz will never be confused with the Spurs defensively, but they've made marked defensive improvements since last season. As they get their personnel back, that improvement should even continue a bit.

Is also just about attitude and physical toughness. The Raps will kill anyone in the league in a 3-point shooting contest. But they don't have the physicality to withstand a full strength Wizards for 7 games.

Are you kidding? The Wiz didn't even have energy for a back to back game. Played like crap on Tuesday and lost by 2. Actually rebounded the ball better today and we see what happens.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #173 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:25 am

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:zards get blown out tonight to avoid game ending drama

God I'm good

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #174 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:55 am

jholmbe1 wrote:That makes sense...Jamison goes out and (probably) makes his second all star game as a Wizard and then you want to bring him off the bench? That would have to be the first time that has ever happened in the NBA and not to mention completely asinine.

Granted Jamison takes a lot of shots, some of them bad. His role in this offense is to score, especially when Gil is out injured. ESPECIALLY when Caron and Gil are out injured. If you have some bias against Jamison then just say so because then you would not look so dumb trying to argue that a 20-10 all star should be a role player. I'd hate to see what our record would be this year without AJ.

I agree with all of your posts...Gowiz999 is CRAZY! We lose and he goes nutzzzz.

duppyy · Post #175 » by **duppyy** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:18 am

Good game guys, Hope the next game will be a Nail Biter, Though a blowout is always good but if your a NBA/Basketball fan Nailbiters and OT games are always better to watch like the game before.

wizkids185 · Post #176 » by **wizkids185** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:31 am

gowiz999 wrote:Who are you? Jamison just is not an efficient offensive player. Matter of fact I think he hurts this team on the offensive and defensive end aside from getting rebounds (definitely his strength). He takes the absolute worst shots and I mean WORST shots imaginable in the worst situations. AJ has offensive skills but he tries to do things that he is not capable of doing well (shooting ill-advised 3s, shooting long 2s, etc). I am not basing this on 1 game either; I have watched every Wizards game for the last 5+ years. If we were to re-sign AJ he would have to come off the bench. Ideally AB would continue to improve and hopefully be able to start next season.

His shooting % is only slightly down from the last two years, and his 3P% is about at the level it was in 2004. However, his TS% (which includes FT) is the second best % during his years in Washington. Its 52.3% now, and if 50%, he still qualifies as above average shooter.

Then when you consider he is playing with the highest usage rate of his career, and his rebound rate has really sky rocketed, so I think you're selling him way short. His PER (efficiency) is 19.80, better than any of his seasons in Washington.

Post #177 » by **nate33** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:17 pm

wizkids185 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

His shooting % is only slightly down from the last two years, and his 3P% is about at the level it was in 2004. However, his TS% (which includes FT) is the second best % during his years in Washington. Its 52.3% now, and if 50%, he still qualifies as above average shooter.

Well, technically, no. The average TS% in the NBA for the past few years has been just above 54.0%.

closg00 · Post #178 » by **closg00** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:38 pm

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
God I'm good

I'm even better :naaa:

closg00 wrote:Common sense says we get our azz kicked tonight. We are playing there, Brags should show up tonight & Bosh will be Bosh.
Caron is out, Haywood is sick & AJ had his big game last night.
Monster games from rooks is the only way to get the W tonight.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #179 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:37 pm

Toronto is like us last year, excellent at home, putrid on the road, no defense.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #180 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:57 pm

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:Toronto is like us last year, excellent at home, putrid on the road, no defense.

I agree, they are an one and done playoff team. Bosh whines too much for calls, in the playoffs he is going to get beat up because he won't get those calls. They are naturally a soft team not built for the playoffs. When your starting PF averages 3 rpg it's a problem.

Well it was a good home and home for the Wizards. We split it minus Arenas and Butler, that's what I was expecting. And the young guys got playing time. Bring on the Jazz! :clap:

And the Raptors fans proved they are the biggest trolls on real gm, you beat an undermanned Wizards team in T.Dot and your acting like you won the championship. You guys have a solid team but no need to trash other peoples teams and make wild playoff predictions.

By the way did anyone see Lebron lead that comeback vs the Blazers last night? That guy is full of himself but he is an amazing basketball player.

GT: Wizards @ Raptors (Part 2) 1-30-08

Who will win?