Bargnani vs. Blatche

[tsherkin]

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So dissing canada gets you in trouble on realgm? that's amusing...and let's not act like canadians dont hate on U.S. on the raptors board daily. if you feel offended that a person badmouthed your country on a message board, i'd say its time to develop some tougher skin. and i dont mind sinking low - i didn't start with the stupidity but if he wants to go there I'll go there.

If you're prepared to continue the sort of base and crude TOS violations from this thread, you'll find yourself suspended before long.

There is one thing to be said for making a joke about another's country and another for blatantly insulting the integrity of a nation in a clear knee-jerk response to the same being done to you.

by the way, i'm not picking a fight with you. you obviously aren't as ignorant as your raptor fan couterpart, and you're WAYYY more knowledgeable to boot. but i'm going to help an idiot put his foot deeper down his mouth if i have to.

Look, I'm going to go after HIM in a minute, because otherwise it'd be a case of blatant favoritism; just remember that irrespective of WHY you've violated the TOS, you're going to get called on it if a mod sees it or someone informs a mod of the violation so s/he can backread it, OK?

It's a message board, we don't need this kind of garbage going on. Let's stick to discussing basketball. If you want to discuss the relative merits of Canada and then US, go hammer it out in the CA board or something, but leave the basketball forums for talk of basketball, not international relations and what-not.

[tsherkin]

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Actually, I don't know if we have enough hood rats that would appeal to him and sure Blatche is younger but I'd rather have a player who won't end up dead or in jail.

As I said I would, it's time to take this to you; this is a broad and extremely offensive generalization. It also has racist undertones, though I'm sure that's not where you were going. You've managed to offend another poster by deeply insulting a city in his country and making a fairly ignorant statement about the player. Moreover, you've ignored that MANY players have come from disadvantaged situations in their hometowns and some of the best NBA players have been "hoodrats."

You need to likewise not be so quick to respond with garbage statements like this.

[NetsForce]

This is interesting... I wanted to make Sean Williams vs. Bargnani just to see what reactions I'd get but most people are talking Blatche over Bargnani... When I would take Sean Williams over Blatche

[tsherkin]

This is interesting... I wanted to make Sean Williams vs. Bargnani just to see what reactions I'd get but most people are talking Blatche over Bargnani... When I would take Sean Williams over Blatche

At least at this point, you should take Williams over both; Williams is an astonishingly talented rebounder and shot-blocker, slightly better at both than Blatche statistically, and qualitatively superior as a shot-blocker. I worry about his relatively one-sided play, since he's a weak FT shooter and doesn't have much of an offensive game, but I'd kill to have Sean on my team instead of Bargs.

[NetsForce]

For whatever reason Sean shoots .725 from the FT line in home games and only .545 in away games...

Every now and then he shows a little something offensively though, like last game he put the ball through his legs and hit a contested jumper in the face of a Bucks defender.... Okay well I guess that last part made the shot unremarkable...

Sean has surprisingly good touch around the rim, but I don't think he'll ever have that much of a face-up game, or at least I'm fairly confident in saying he's not going to have any sort of dribble game like Amare or Duncan.

[Grenerd686]

For a 7ft Bargani is averaging a very impressive 3.6rebs. He does play 23 mins. These are great #'s for a 1st overall pick. HAHA

[tsherkin]

For whatever reason Sean shoots .725 from the FT line in home games and only .545 in away games...

Every now and then he shows a little something offensively though, like last game he put the ball through his legs and hit a contested jumper in the face of a Bucks defender.... Okay well I guess that last part made the shot unremarkable...

Sean has surprisingly good touch around the rim, but I don't think he'll ever have that much of a face-up game, or at least I'm fairly confident in saying he's not going to have any sort of dribble game like Amare or Duncan.

It's OK; I've been saying for a while that I'd be THRILLED to have Samuel Dalembert as my starting center. No offense to Dalembert but he's not exactly Dream on the block, you know? But his rebounding and defense would be hugely valuable and for us in Toronto, the same would be true of Williams. Bargs was definitely Colangelo's biggest error.

[Last Guardian]

Of course its Blatche. This guy can do a lot of things while Bargnani is a soft 3 point shooter. Blatche is 6'10/6'11, can handle the ball, shoot, drive, rebound and block shots.

[The Boshpit!]

I don't know why everyone is speaking of Blatche so highly. he puts up a measly 6.5 and 4. He's 6"11 so why don't you look at his statistics before saying its pathetic for a 7 footer to only get 3.5 rebounds. I guarantee Bargnani will be at 20 and 7 in 2 years once he gets comfortable in the NBA. You have to take in account that this is his first season playing center and he's still learning the position. Let's make ths comparison again in a few years and I think it will be a lot more fair.

[WesWesley]

Blatche has began to impress me more and more as the season has progressed. However, I sometimes feel he tries to force the issue too much, and plays out of his realm. He really tries to play like a guard at times, which probably pisses off guys like Stevenson and Daniels.

It seems that Blatche is a good rebounder because of his aggressiveness and athleticism, not because of his IQ and positioning around the bucket.

The way I see it, Bargnani's offensive game is going to wind up better than Blatches, and Blatche will be the better defender. I consider rebounding as part of being better defensively.

Their passing games are actually pretty close. I know Blatche is a very good passer, but so is Bargnani.

Bargnani's confidence has been really low this season, partly because he got injured, and partly because of the coach having a very short leash on him. He hasn't had the freedom to make mistakes like other sophmores such as Gay and Aldridge.

Bargnani hasn't been able to showcase his skills to the general NBA audience much, but most Raptors fans have seen something in him, that gives us a lot of hope that he will be a special player down the road.

It really wouldn't surprise me if this comparison was revisted in 3 years from now, and Bargnani would be dusting Blatche, despite Blatche still playing well.

[Kosta]

Of course its Blatche. This guy can do a lot of things while Bargnani is a soft 3 point shooter. Blatche is 6'10/6'11, can handle the ball, shoot, drive, rebound and block shots.

Yeah, but at least our soft three point shooter isn't being paid $120 million over the next 5 seasons.

Blatche looks good, his all around game looks better right now. But if I had the chance to swap the two, no chance I take Blatche, I'm going to be patient with Bargnani, he's showed that he has the potential to be a dynamic offensive player and at least an average defensive player. Blatche has the skills, but there's something about him that gives me the feel that he just won't realize that potential, kind of like a Kwame.

And Sean Williams? Oh my, other than shot blocking, what else has he shown? That's absurd, I know Bargnani has disappointed, but come on now...

[Kosta]

Blatche has began to impress me more and more as the season has progressed. However, I sometimes feel he tries to force the issue too much, and plays out of his realm. He really tries to play like a guard at times, which probably pisses off guys like Stevenson and Daniels.

It seems that Blatche is a good rebounder because of his aggressiveness and athleticism, not because of his IQ and positioning around the bucket.

The way I see it, Bargnani's offensive game is going to wind up better than Blatches, and Blatche will be the better defender. I consider rebounding as part of being better defensively.

Their passing games are actually pretty close. I know Blatche is a very good passer, but so is Bargnani.

Bargnani's confidence has been really low this season, partly because he got injured, and partly because of the coach having a very short leash on him. He hasn't had the freedom to make mistakes like other sophmores such as Gay and Aldridge.

Bargnani hasn't been able to showcase his skills to the general NBA audience much, but most Raptors fans have seen something in him, that gives us a lot of hope that he will be a special player down the road.

It really wouldn't surprise me if this comparison was revisted in 3 years from now, and Bargnani would be dusting Blatche, despite Blatche still playing well.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel about it, too.

[yungal07]

I don't know why everyone is speaking of Blatche so highly. he puts up a measly 6.5 and 4. He's 6"11 so why don't you look at his statistics before saying its pathetic for a 7 footer to only get 3.5 rebounds. I guarantee Bargnani will be at 20 and 7 in 2 years once he gets comfortable in the NBA. You have to take in account that this is his first season playing center and he's still learning the position. Let's make ths comparison again in a few years and I think it will be a lot more fair.

First off, you statistical genious, Blatche plays 5 minutes less a game, and still manages to grab more boards than bargnani. still manages to block 3 times as many shots. almost nearly as many assists. statistically its not EVEN close.

Secondly, why does Bargnani get the benefit of the doubt but no one else can? You're guaranteeing that Bargani is a 20/7 player - fine, i'll guarantee that Blatche is a 20/10/3 player in 3 years. See how easy that was? We can play the "potential" game all day, but Blatche has just as much if not more potential than Bargnani. Blatche is taller, probably more athletic, longer, YOUNGER and more versatile than Bargnani is.

How about we compare Blatche's numbers as a starter vs. Bargnani's. Then maybe we can end this debate.

[WesWesley]

yungal, your comparison of the two players is pretty much summed up as this:

Bargnani: Soft big man (cupcake soft to be exact), can't do ANYTHING but shoot 3's.

Blatche: Potential to be all defensive 1st team, and an All NBA player.

Why don't you at least try and attempt an accurate comparison of the two players, instead of just what you want to see it as?? Maybe people would take your posts a little seriously...

[yungal07]

yungal, your comparison of the two players is pretty much summed up as this:

Bargnani: Soft big man (cupcake soft to be exact), can't do ANYTHING but shoot 3's.

Blatche: Potential to be all defensive 1st team, and an All NBA player.

Why don't you at least try and attempt an accurate comparison of the two players, instead of just what you want to see it as?? Maybe people would take your posts a little seriously...

I never said Blatche had the potential to be an all defensive 1st team player. I said he ages better than Bargnani defensively which is factual and not difficult to do at all.

And let me sum up Raptor fans defense of Bargnani:

"Yea um he's not good now. But he hasn't played enough and his confidence is shaken, and he hasn't gotten a fair chance and this comparison is not fair but in 2 years he'll blah blah blah..."

In other words, you haven't made an argument other than what you think is going to happen in 2 years. What have I said about Blatche? He's superior to Bargnani statistically and he's younger, taller, and he plays more of a big man's game. If all you made out from my posts is "Potential to be all defensive 1st team, and an All NBA player" which I never came close to claiming, then maybe you need to develop some better reading comprehension skills.

[risktaker91]

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Actually he would hate to play in Toronto because your women are ugly and its cold as balls up there.

Just to pile on, Blatche is younger than Bargs too, so the "potential" argument pretty much goes out the door.

That's not what Alex Rodriguez thought.

[WesWesley]

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bargs ain't that good now... but blatche is tearing it up!

[HarlemHeat37]

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And Sean Williams? Oh my, other than shot blocking, what else has he shown? That's absurd, I know Bargnani has disappointed, but come on now...

don't be a homer dude..

I like Bargnani too, and I hope he does well, but he's been useless outside of 3-4 games this entire year..I can say that Sean Williams is one of the best shot blockers in the entire NBA, and he's only in his rookie season..he's a far better rebounder and defender in general than Bargs is..he plays a finisher role on the team for the most part, and he's worlds better than Bargnani at that..

[Kosta]

^I'm sorry, but as I said other than the shot blocking he hasn't shown me a complete game, he plays a finisher role on the Nets, because that's his game, he can't create on offense. His defense is overrated also, I mean the Nets front line has been eaten up plenty of times since he was inserted into the starting line-up. All he needs to do is focus on rebounding the ball and blocking shots, that's his game.

I think he's a fine rookie and at the spot he went in the draft, will end up being a steal. But to tell me he's has shown more than Bargnani and is a guy you'd take over Bargnani, that's crazy talk..

[yungal07]

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don't be a homer dude..

I like Bargnani too, and I hope he does well, but he's been useless outside of 3-4 games this entire year..I can say that Sean Williams is one of the best shot blockers in the entire NBA, and he's only in his rookie season..he's a far better rebounder and defender in general than Bargs is..he plays a finisher role on the team for the most part, and he's worlds better than Bargnani at that..

Yep. Sean is clearly a better player right now than Bargnani too. Sean is a monster shotblocker, a decent rebounder, and a pretty good finisher around the rim. He's already much better than Bargnani in the areas that don't involve scoring. Then again, who isn't?

BTW Kosta, it's apparent Bargnani can't create his own shot either. He's shooting 37% from the field.