Bucks @ Sixers 1/30/08

LieCheatSteal · Post #81 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:57 am

Nofx8881 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

are you kidding me? a 1st rounder for a guy that is 6'11 and can't rebound? couldn't we just USE that first rounder for the same type of player? or, hell, even a 2nd rounder? i wouldn't mind villanueva at all. for ollie and 2 round trip tickets to anywhere in the US. no way in hell is he worth a 1st round pick (coming from a god awful team). just send them cash since the pick would have to have so much protection it would never actually turn into a pick.

Charlie's had established success in this league (ie he can play, and dominate, in this league if he wants to (in his rookie year, I think he had a 50 pt game, I think against Milwaukee playing PF when Bosh was hurt). I would say there's more risk in drafting a college player, without an established success at this level, versus giving up Ollie and a 1st for him.

... and I was thinking I was suggesting a trade that actually ripped off the Bucks.

76erinSJ · Post #82 » by **76erinSJ** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:32 am

This was a good game. If we keep winning the front office is gonna start to think we can make the playoffs. Has anyone else noticed when we have a good game Sendem doesnt show up?

SendEm · Post #83 » by **SendEm** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:48 am

Carney's individual defense is far too overlooked by his haters. While Carney's playing his man HAS to have a shooting percentage/production that is WELL below what he normally produces.

Post #84 » by **tk76** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:26 pm

Crazy numbers...
Ivey -39
Young +34 (in 25 min)
Green +4 (the team was +39 in the 28 min he DIDN'T play)

Green was playing with a sprained ankle- so I shouldn't point out his numbers- more just to show what kind of crazy run we put on when he wasn't on the floor.

SendEm · Post #85 » by **SendEm** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:41 pm

LieCheatSteal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Charlie's had established success in this league (ie he can play, and dominate, in this league if he wants to (in his rookie year, I think he had a 50 pt game, I think against Milwaukee playing PF when Bosh was hurt). I would say there's more risk in drafting a college player, without an established success at this level, versus giving up Ollie and a 1st for him.

... and I was thinking I was suggesting a trade that actually ripped off the Bucks.

Willie Burton had a 53 point game in his career. Having a high scoring game in your career doesn't make you a good basketball player it just means that you made a lot of shots one night. CV is a bad basketball player. Last night was just the freshest example of this fact.

Nofx8881 · Post #86 » by **Nofx8881** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:06 pm

dbodner wrote:
for a guy that is 6'11 and can't rebound?

Wait. Since when couldn't Villanueva rebound?

since he can't rebound. he's like 49th in the leage in rebounds per 48 minutes. and he's only averaging 4.8 per game. his career high was 6.4 playing 29 minutes per game. he's 6'11. he should be a better rebounder. and shot blocker.

reggie evans is 10th in RP48. dalembert is 19th. i was just pointing out a fact. villanueva is not a good rebounder. i didn't say he couldn't shoot or defend or pass or any of that. he's just not a good rebounder. if we want a tall guy who can't rebound i'm sure we could find one for pretty cheap. there are probably about 40 of them in the NBDL.

ankle420breaker · Post #87 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:54 pm

I didn't catch the 2nd half. How did Thad look? Did most of his 14 and 8 come from garbage minutes?

Post #88 » by **dbodner** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:01 pm

since he can't rebound. he's like 49th in the leage in rebounds per 48 minutes. and he's only averaging 4.8 per game. his career high was 6.4 playing 29 minutes per game. he's 6'11. he should be a better rebounder. and shot blocker.

reggie evans is 10th in RP48. dalembert is 19th. i was just pointing out a fact. villanueva is not a good rebounder. i didn't say he couldn't shoot or defend or pass or any of that. he's just not a good rebounder. if we want a tall guy who can't rebound i'm sure we could find one for pretty cheap. there are probably about 40 of them in the NBDL.

Villanueva splits time at both forward positions. If there are 90 starting frontcourt spots, how is averaging top 50 in rebounds per 48 minutes a bad rebounder? If you want to say he's not great, fine, I agree with that. But to say he's a bad rebounder is just wrong, IMO. If he starts at PF and plays 35 minutes, he produces about 8 rebounds per game IMO. That's certainly not bad.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #89 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:21 pm

Evans dunk in the first half was powerful. Reggie is such a tragedy, if he had any offensive talent, he would be amazing. Guy is the hustle master, he can get anywhere on the court he wants faster than his opponent. He has good vision of the court, he knows where his team mates are. He is a rebounding machine. He is very aggressive on D, almost to a fault. And some of his post moves arnt even half bad, but his shots leave MUCH to be disired. He gets the board in the paint, and he takes it back out. At least he is smart enough to know that we have a better chance of scoring by starting over, than we do with him shooting a layup.

SendEm · Post #90 » by **SendEm** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:24 pm

CV stinks at rebounding and defending the PF position. If he could do both he would have still been the starting PF for Toronto and not traded for a 5'11 PG with a medical history and health condition. If not that then the Bucks would have committed to him at PF instead of playing him at SF and eventually the bench. CV is a Tony Kukoc without the passing ability. Thad and Evans looked like monsters on the boards last night. CV is just a weak bad basketball player with a low B-Ball IQ but some people will never let his "potential" go. Even Stanley Roberts and Billy Owens had people loving their potential till the end so I expect for people to feel the same way about CV.

SouthJersey · Post #91 » by **SouthJersey** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:55 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:I like Smith's hustle and think he has a better mentality as a big man who comes off of the bench. Also, his height is nice. I believe Villanueva is the better baller but mentally he just doesn't seem to have it together which was the knock on him at UConn.

I was really down on Charlie V when he got drafted but the kid had a strong rookie season. He just hasn't seemed to fit in Milwaukee and maybe that's the problem.

What do you believe CV's current trade value to be??

The way CV is playing in Milwaukee, lets just say its not TJ ford. I think Jason Smith is a good start, but we might have to give up someone else, like Reggie Evans? The Bucks need some toughness and after the game Reggie had last night, he might have some value to them.

Post #92 » by **The Guilty Party** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:03 pm

That's a fair enough question... would you swap Jason Smith and Reggie Evans for CV??

ankle420breaker · Post #93 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:11 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:That's a fair enough question... would you swap Jason Smith and Reggie Evans for CV??

I would

Post #94 » by **tk76** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:23 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:I didn't catch the 2nd half. How did Thad look? Did most of his 14 and 8 come from garbage minutes?

It was a sloppy second half (well one of the teams was sloppy, the Sixers executed crisply) but Young did look like one of the best players on the floor (+34 in 25 minutes hints to his impact.)

Young made some great low post moves in both halves, showing he can pivot quickly and finish with both hands against much bigger players- as long as he can keep on balance (not easy with him so thin.) He show really good promise in the post since his moves are very hard to block. He hit one jumper and missed another- but not badly. He was great on the break and played under control./ His 3 assists were mostly on the break, but were good, quick set-up passes.

ankle420breaker · Post #95 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:05 pm

tk76 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It was a sloppy second half (well one of the teams was sloppy, the Sixers executed crisply) but Young did look like one of the best players on the floor (+34 in 25 minutes hints to his impact.)

Young made some great low post moves in both halves, showing he can pivot quickly and finish with both hands against much bigger players- as long as he can keep on balance (not easy with him so thin.) He show really good promise in the post since his moves are very hard to block. He hit one jumper and missed another- but not badly. He was great on the break and played under control./ His 3 assists were mostly on the break, but were good, quick set-up passes.

good stuff tk

IggyTheBEaST · Post #96 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:54 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:That's a fair enough question... would you swap Jason Smith and Reggie Evans for CV??

Absolutely Not

freshie2 · Post #97 » by **freshie2** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:57 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:That's a fair enough question... would you swap Jason Smith and Reggie Evans for CV??

Would not even consider this for a second...CV shocked everyone with his rookie year, the Raptors sold high (unfortunately their return is damaged goods) and CV isn't even starting for the Bucks. Not a great player, not a high energy player...not trading Smith and Evans for CV.