Official Jason Kidd Thread

Post #181 » by **Slava** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:05 am

I'm a big fan of Hollinger's analysis and I feel he's spot on with his points there. Like I said before, the Lakers are the front runners to acquire Jason Kidd's services and Kobe Bryant is on top of Kidd's wish list at the moment. He must have hated spending another year at Nj after the reported deal broke through in the middle of last season.

In LA, the situation just fits him to the hilt, with a dominating superstar in Kobe and an emerging big in Bynum along with a do it all guy who can put the pieces together in LO. Kid can just serve the ball to anyone and expect to get like 15 assists on most nights. Thats what he loves to do and thats exactly what suits him best at this point in his career.

Kobe has always elevated any PG that plays alongside him and the seem is going to happen to Kidd, he might even get more points than he did in NJ if he were to play alongside Kobe and within the confines of the triangle offense.

Sure we might lose some spacing on the floor without Farmar or Fisher at PG but the advantage Kidd gives us is that he can guard most SGs in this league because of his size.

We can effectively put in Bynum/LO/Kobe/Sasha or Fish at SG and Kidd at PG and get away with it because Kidd and Fish can interchange thier assignements on most games. ALso allowing Fish to play more like a catch and shoot guy than as a natural PG, a role that could suit him better and establish LO/kobe more near the post.

Imagine having Kidd to the best rebounding frontcourt in the league in BYnum and LO. That'd just be unbeatable on either end of the floor and we might instantly become the best scoring team in the league with Kidd's vision and more second chance opportunities.

Its a win win situation if we were to get him for Kwame/Ariza/Vlad and Crittenton.

Post #182 » by **crackjack** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:09 am

Kobe has always elevated any PG that plays alongside him and the seem is going to happen to Kidd

Kidd doesn't need anyone to elevate him. He's the one that does the elevating. He's the one that's going to make everyone on the floor an offensive threat.

J Rob · Post #183 » by **J Rob** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:29 am

j-far wrote:Its a win win situation if we were to get him for Kwame/Ariza/Vlad and Crittenton.

+1

We keep our main rotation in tact and add a hall of famer to the mix. Big time win win.

Kidd/Farmar
Fish/Sasha
Kobe/Walton
Odom/Turiaf
Bynum/Mihm

I'll take that against any lineup in the league...Boston, San Antonio, Detroit, whoever.

J Rob · Post #184 » by **J Rob** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:30 am

j-far wrote:Its a win win situation if we were to get him for Kwame/Ariza/Vlad and Crittenton.

+1

We keep our main rotation in tact and add a hall of famer to the mix. Big time win win.

Kidd/Farmar
Fish/Sasha
Kobe/Walton
Odom/Turiaf
Bynum/Mihm

I'll take that against any lineup in the league...Boston, San Antonio, Detroit, whoever.

B-Scott · Post #185 » by **B-Scott** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:58 am

That lineup wins 65 games if they stayed healthy

El Hardee · Post #186 » by **El Hardee** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:43 pm

Phil_2.0 wrote:I will take a BIG 4 of Kidd, Kobe, LO and Bynum over any team in the league.

I would love to keep Ariza and I think the nets could use Critt over Farmar because Marcus Williams is there future and Critt could be a combo guard for them.

That team would rule the west.

Oh and El Hardee... you need to limit the post to 3 paragraphs and post a link. And if its ESPN Insider we need to remove it. Thanks

Sorry bout that, my bad. Here is the link, this is from the NY Sun:

http://www.nysun.com/article/70459?page_no=3

Kirk Moon · Post #187 » by **Kirk Moon** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:58 pm

Fish at SG ?

incontrol__ · Post #188 » by **incontrol__** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:12 pm

semi-sentient wrote:Assuming Hollinger's hunch is right, I think this squad wins a championship as early as next season:

PG: Kidd / Fisher / Critt
SG: Kobe / Sasha
C: Bynum / DJ/Mihm short-term, Kwame resigned after this season (MLE)
SF: Radman / Walton
PF: Odom / Turiaf

IMO, it'd win the title this season.

kobynum show · Post #189 » by **kobynum show** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:39 pm

am i the only one who really doesnt like ariza included in this trade?? id much rather trade luke, radman, or sasha instead of ariza..

Post #190 » by **semi-sentient** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:37 pm

incontrol__ wrote:IMO, it'd win the title this season.

Injuries and chemistry issues are the only reasons I said next season. I think it's going to take a little bit for everyone to get in sync since Kidd will be our primary facilitator. He still has to learn the system just like everyone else, and by the time Bynum comes back we're going to be a 5-8 seed at best. I think Bynum is going to take a while to get back into the flow of things because he will be out of game shape, which is expected for anyone who misses several months due to injury.

Post #191 » by **semi-sentient** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:39 pm

kobynum show wrote:am i the only one who really doesnt like ariza included in this trade?? id much rather trade luke, radman, or sasha instead of ariza..

Why would NJ want any of those guys? Radman and Walton have crappy contracts, and Sasha isn't quite as enticing as Ariza, assuming NJ doesn't think much of his structural foot problems.

Post #192 » by **crazyeights** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:26 pm

milesfides wrote:crazyeights, I think you took what I said completely the wrong way. I could be wrong, but there's an undercurrent there that I don't really want to tap into. Don't want to get caught up in that.

Sorry if I don't respond to your comments, but I'd like to keep this thread about a discussion of basketball.

In response to your accusations that I'm "celebrating Bynum's injury" or that I'm "insane over Kobe," I'll just say this: that's pretty disappointing to hear.

Miles, maybe you're right I very well could have taken something you said the wrong way, but that's probably true on both our sides. Regardless I just know that we're both passionate Laker fans that sometimes have differing opinions.

I usually try not to respond, but I felt the whole injury history was just the wrong way to steer the debate..especially since Kidd had microfracture surgery.

It's pretty disappointing to feel too, but I'm probably wrong.

kobynum show · Post #193 » by **kobynum show** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:43 pm

semi-sentient wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why would NJ want any of those guys? Radman and Walton have crappy contracts, and Sasha isn't quite as enticing as Ariza, assuming NJ doesn't think much of his structural foot problems.

they might want luke because of his relationship w/ richard jefferson..
those two would be so happy to be on the same team that it would undoubtably elevate both of their games and improve team chemistry. a change of scenery and his best friend might be what luke needs to pull him outta the funk he has been in

WCDYNASTY · Post #194 » by **WCDYNASTY** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:05 pm

kobynum show wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

they might want luke because of his relationship w/ richard jefferson..
those two would be so happy to be on the same team that it would undoubtably elevate both of their games and improve team chemistry. a change of scenery and his best friend might be what luke needs to pull him outta the funk he has been in

They can have him :nod:

WCDYNASTY · Post #195 » by **WCDYNASTY** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:11 pm

Id love to see Kidd here in LA as long as Bynum, Farmar, Ariza or Turiaf are NOT included (didn't mention Bryant cause obviously he wouldnt be traded). After Kidd's contract expires we can insert Farmar to starting PG, he would be great under Kidd's guidance.

Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Trevor Ariza
Kobe Bryant
Jason Kidd

:clap:

kobynum show · Post #196 » by **kobynum show** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:57 pm

exactly.

J Rob · Post #197 » by **J Rob** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:45 pm

B-Scott wrote:That lineup wins 65 games if they stayed healthy

I agree.

Don't tar and feather me but that team would have the potential to be better than any of the 3-peat Lakers teams...maybe even equal to some of the showtime teams.

chefy · Post #198 » by **chefy** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:54 pm

what do you guys think of these trades

trade # 1

lal

kidd,

min

vujacic,lal's 1st

nj

farmar,smith,green,brown,radman,lal's 2nd

our new lineup

mihm,mbenga,brynum
odom,turiaf
ariza,walton
kobe,fisher,ariza
kidd,fisher,critt

trade #2

lal

kidd

min

ariza,lal's 2nd

nj

farmar,smith,green,brown,mihm,lal's 1st

our lineup

mbenga,bynum
odom,radman
walton,radman,kobe
kobe,vujacic,fisher
kidd,fisher,critt

shagadelic45 · Post #199 » by **shagadelic45** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:56 pm

Kidd doesn't work for LA. Yes he's the top or tope 2-3 pg's in the nba and he's better than fisher or farmar, but he's not THAT much better or doesn't improve the team THAT much more over what we have currently.

In other words....the impact of $19 million from Jason Kidd, isn't greater than that of Jermaine Oneal, Tracy McGrady, Shaq Oneal, Nocioni and Smith, etc.....where the "room" or opportunity for omprovement is higher...(ie. pf or sf)

J Rob · Post #200 » by **J Rob** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 12:29 am

^ Totally wrong.

Kidds a totally different kind of pg than we have.

His impact could be far greater than any of those players because he can elevate the play of guys like Bynum, Odom, Turiaf, etc.

He also takes pressure off of Kobe.

Your argument works better actually for some of the players you mentioned.

JO for example, would improve the PF position incrementally over Odom.

However, the difference would not be that huge and only effect that one position and not the overall team.