All Star Reserves

JoshB914 · Post #441 » by **JoshB914** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:18 am

CupcakeNoFillin wrote:Brandon Roy

Points Assists Rebound Steals EFF

19.4 5.6 4.5 .9 +19.5

Baron Davis

Points Assists Rebound Steals EFF

22.3 8.1 4.8 2.5 +23.51

The All Star game isn't about stats. That's not a valid point as it is not how the system works.

CDB · Post #442 » by **CDB** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:19 am

crzyyafrican wrote:Look CDB, if you don't care about the All-Star game good for you.

Just don't be an ass, because other people are outraged when one clearly superior player is passed up for a prestigious recognition by a "nice story" "feel good" player.

As a tax payer, dont I have the right to be one

Look I thought Davis should have made it too but the way you guys.........mater of a fact let me change it to 6 of you guys (before the other dude starts to get his emotions up) are taking this a little too much to the heart. That was all I was saying. Davis and Roy both are having great years but not to take shots, Davis is producing those #'s on a run and gun team, which have it's good. But Roy is taking a team that was suppose to be a favorite to get the #1 pick in the draft to a playoff contender. The coaches decided to go that route, but the way "6" of you guys were acting was a little too much for a 3 hour game.

dem warriors · Post #443 » by **dem warriors** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:32 am

JoshB914 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The All Star game isn't about stats. That's not a valid point as it is not how the system works.

what is it about then? good players on teams with good records...id give it to baron in that case since warriors still have a better rec and were a playoff team last year...or is it about being an entertaining exciting player? id give that to baron as well...or maybe its about being very important to your team...MAYBE there its a push...anyway that i look at it, I cant see how or why roy would be more deserving than baron.

Post #444 » by **Mr Odd** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:01 am

dem warriors wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what is it about then? good players on teams with good records...id give it to baron in that case since warriors still have a better rec and were a playoff team last year...or is it about being an entertaining exciting player? id give that to baron as well...or maybe its about being very important to your team...MAYBE there its a push...anyway that i look at it, I cant see how or why roy would be more deserving than baron.

As I stated before, I think Baron is a bit better
then Roy right now and the Warriors record is
better at this time. But the reserves are voted
in by coaches, Roy is the type of player coaches
love. Is that fair?? No, not really. But I think most
people could also say that about how the starters
are picked. Popularity contests are never fair and
thats pretty much how the All-Star games are done.

But also as I stated, Warrior fans will probably be
waving to all the Blazers fans when the Warriors
are in the playoffs again & the Blazers arent.. .
:wink:

ILOVEIT · Post #445 » by **ILOVEIT** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:11 am

dem warriors wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what is it about then? good players on teams with good records...id give it to baron in that case since warriors still have a better rec and were a playoff team last year...or is it about being an entertaining exciting player? id give that to baron as well...or maybe its about being very important to your team...MAYBE there its a push...anyway that i look at it, I cant see how or why roy would be more deserving than baron.

Perfectly stated....

Bottomline...if you had a pickup game and wanted the best chance of winning and you were going to take Baron or Brandon....I bet 80% take Baron....

Anyway..as a Warrior fan I'd like him to be in there...but for the team it's better he get's his rest and plays with a chip on his shoulder the rest of the way.

Alex_De_Large · Post #446 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:25 am

when will be the coach from the west confirmed? i guess will be scott. its gonna be a big joke if they take johnson or d'antoni.

HawaiianJazzFan · Post #447 » by **HawaiianJazzFan** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:32 am

Damn. I can definitely understand most of the players picked over Deron... and wouldn't have had any beef if Baron was in over Deron but Roy and West?? It seems like a double standard. Last year the Jazz at this point in the season were a lot like the Blazers in that they weren't expected to do anything. At this point last year they were 30-17 and everyone said Deron didn't make it because he needed to pay his dues. Deron got better and better took his team to the WCF, played for our country... IMPROVED this year and he still doesn't make it. Instead a player who is in the same position last year does. It is just frustrating as a fan. I would have rather had Dwill make it than Boozer for sure. I bet 90% of Jazz fans would say that Deron is more important for us.

But... congrats to Roy... I do like his game.

Even though this sucks balls it is probably better for the Jazz... Deron usually gets fired up about this stuff.

Post #448 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:36 am

HawaiianJazzFan wrote:Damn. I can definitely understand most of the players picked over Deron... and wouldn't have had any beef if Baron was in over Deron but Roy and West?? It seems like a double standard. Last year the Jazz at this point in the season were a lot like the Blazers in that they weren't expected to do anything. At this point last year they were 30-17 and everyone said Deron didn't make it because he needed to pay his dues. Deron got better and better took his team to the WCF, played for our country... IMPROVED this year and he still doesn't make it. Instead a player who is in the same position last year does. It is just frustrating as a fan. I would have rather had Dwill make it than Boozer for sure. I bet 90% of Jazz fans would say that Deron is more important for us.

But... congrats to Roy... I do like his game.

Even though this sucks balls it is probably better for the Jazz... Deron usually gets fired up about this stuff.

I agree, if Chris and Deron didn't make it last year because they didn't pay their dues, then Roy doesn't deserve it this year. And if we actually are going by this year, Deron still deserves it over Roy.

Post #449 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:37 am

JoshB914 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The All Star game isn't about stats. That's not a valid point as it is not how the system works.

You're right they factor in stats + record and *that's* why...wait, Baron's better at both. Well I'm sure Roy has a great +/-...oh, that's right it's Baron who actually lifts his team.

Baron got ridiculously snubbed here.

Other lesser snubs:

Marion
Allen
Camby, really sad about this one. This guy deserves to be an all-star at least once in his career.

EDIT: Will say, I'm surprised and happy that West got in.

xstockholmsyndromex · Post #450 » by **xstockholmsyndromex** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:17 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree, if Chris and Deron didn't make it last year because they didn't pay their dues, then Roy doesn't deserve it this year. And if we actually are going by this year, Deron still deserves it over Roy.

I just hope the snub has the same result on D-Will that it did last year. He came out pissed and fired up last year and dominated the rest of the year. Im hoping for some more of the same.

Kosta · Post #451 » by **Kosta** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:20 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree, if Chris and Deron didn't make it last year because they didn't pay their dues, then Roy doesn't deserve it this year. And if we actually are going by this year, Deron still deserves it over Roy.

The Roy hype train was in full force, choo-choo you got snubbed Baron!

CupcakeNoFillin · Post #452 » by **CupcakeNoFillin** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:59 am

Yes, Baron getting snubbed is making the Warriors haters happy. Warriors haters, have the time of your life.

chriswebb86 · Post #453 » by **chriswebb86** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:08 am

The_Believer wrote:Baron's better than Roy and west combined. Stern wants to make Roy the most "popular".

How that comment makes me laugh. My guess is that you havent seeing West even play.

While reading a lot about what people say, I have to first say its just an ALL-STAR game. Honestly, is that going to win playoffs games for your guy? NO. Next, I think all sides have good arguments of why their guy should have made it over x player. However, Coaches know more then most fans and see these guys up close. So maybe give them credit for who they chose. Also, remember usually one or two players end up playing because of injuries so dont freak out yet.

Finally, I just wish the all-star game would go to a team of 15. Then I dont think you would hear snub as much.

CupcakeNoFillin · Post #454 » by **CupcakeNoFillin** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:13 am

chriswebb86 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

While reading a lot about what people say, I have to first say its just an ALL-STAR game. Honestly, is that going to win playoffs games for your guy? NO.

The All-Star game showcases the so called "Best players in the league". It's players who are getting recognition for being the top in the league. How do you think Kobe would feel if he got snubbed? What about LeBron? Of course guys will get disappointed if they don't make the team even though they had a GREAT first half of the season. And yes they will get disappointed, especially if someone who is not as good as them makes the team.

CupcakeNoFillin · Post #455 » by **CupcakeNoFillin** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:16 am

Damn, the last Warrior to ever make the All-Star team was Latrell Sprewell. Goddamn that's **** sad.

Last year it was Tony Parker making the All-Star team over Baron Davis, and now it's Brandon frickin Roy making it over Baron. wow.

541Blaza · Post #456 » by **541Blaza** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:26 am

Look Baron, Deron, Camby, they all deserve to be in this game. But you can't blame the coaches for picking Roy, obviously he's a guy they fear more or admire more... that's just the way it is. The coaches voted, and Roy one fair and square. Sure the Blazers marketing team sent out iRoys, big deal... that's their job and I seriously doubt that had anything to do with their votes. I mean they got it either way.

Anyways, it'll be a fun game.

Post #457 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:29 am

He got in because of the hype train of an overachieving team.

541Blaza · Post #458 » by **541Blaza** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:35 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:He got in because of the hype train of an overachieving team.

What's wrong with that? People throw around this overachieving team term like it's a bad thing. Last time I check doing better than was expected was a good thing.

Post #459 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:40 am

Well they are an overachieving TEAM, not a poor team being dragged from the bottom by Brandon Roy. He's playing solid ball, but he isn't carrying some bottom feeder.

Post #460 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:41 am

541Blaza wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What's wrong with that? People throw around this overachieving team term like it's a bad thing. Last time I check doing better than was expected was a good thing.

The issue is that they he's being given a boost because of his team's unexpected success above players with greater success that simply wasn't unexpected. Roy's great, I'd have no problem with him as an all-star in the East, but he shouldn't have even been a strong contender for that spot in the West. To have him get in over Baron Davis is just ridiculous.

As far as not being able to blame the coaches...sure I can. They're entitled to their opinions, I'm entitled to say they're wrong, they're entitled to have no idea who I am and not give a damn. It all works out. :wink: