WC AS snubees

[J~Rush]

For all this talk about how amazing Brandon Roy is for his team, has nobody noticed that they are out of the playoffs at #9 and most likely will stay that way? I will come on the record and say that they will finish around .500 and will not make the playoffs, while the Warriors will make the playoffs. Brandon Roy is a pretty good player on an average team, he does not deserve to go to the ASG over a very good player on a good team.

I am impressed. But calling Roy a pretty good player is like saying Scottie Pippen was a bad surfer. Inaccurate.

[tsherkin]

For all this talk about how amazing Brandon Roy is for his team, has nobody noticed that they are out of the playoffs at #9 and most likely will stay that way?

You understand that they are only a game back of the Warriors, right? And that, even at the 9th seed, they are on pace for about 47 wins, right? 47.38 compared to Golden State's 48.85 projected wins.

So for a projected difference of a win and a half, you think this is significant? And minding that this is a whole-season deal, not factoring in the Blazers' slow start.

I will come on the record and say that they will finish around .500 and will not make the playoffs, while the Warriors will make the playoffs. Brandon Roy is a pretty good player on an average team, he does not deserve to go to the ASG over a very good player on a good team.

The Warriors are not significantly better than the Blazers, or at least have not thus far been significantly better than the Blazers.

So you think the Blazers will finish "around .500," do you?

You understand that they are 45 games into the season now, yes?

That means that 37 games remain.

For them to finish "around" .500, they'd have to go within +/- 2 of 41 games.

Let's go with 43 for the moment.

That means they'd win another 17 games. 17 out of 37 is 45.9%.

They've have to play noticeably below .500 ball for the rest of the season to fit into the range you've described. This from a team that's at .578 on the season.

They are 8-15 since the 13-game winning streak, which is still a winning percentage over 53%.

So what about their game and their team suggests to you that they'll play so badly over the remaining 37 games as to collapse to a near-.500 record?

Nothing of substance, I'd wager, since there is little merit in such a position.

Miss the playoffs? Maybe; you may need 48+ wins to make the playoffs.

But the Blazers have an excellent chance to make the postseason and a chance not that far different from the one presented to the Warriors at this time.

[crzy]

I see the top 7 staying the way it is. The 8th seed will be a coinflip between the Warriors and Blazers. Whoever gets a key injury will lose out.

[compucomp]

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Since their winning streak, they have played .500 ball. They have had many close escapes to get their wins and recently they have stopped winning close games, and their unreal home record has begun to come back to earth. Given that it is unlikely that they will become a good road team, this does not bode well for them, nor does the fact that their point differential is 6th worst in the WC. Everything is set up for them to fail in the second half, it is already beginning. In a sentence, the Blazers got lucky for a while but the other shoe will drop soon, if it hasn't already. By March Blazers fans will be talking about lotto balls again while bemoaning the fact that their good start has given them false hope.

[tnayrbrocks]

I think the coaches went on based who means more to their team. Roy means more to that Blazers team then Davis to his warriors.

[candy for lunch]

By March Blazers fans will be talking about lotto balls again while bemoaning the fact that their good start has given them false hope.

Lotto balls? Do you not realize we'd need to lose every single game the rest of the season to start talking about lotto balls? Besides, you didn't actually respond to anything tsherkin posted O_o

It's a shame we'll miss out out on another 3-9 shooting performance (along with 1-6 for threes) in this year's all-star game!

[Alex_De_Large]

"Too Easy"
K-Money
Josh Howard
Camby
Kamen

Deron Williams
Big Al

These 7 are definitely better than the reserves from the east.

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Baron is like Marbury.

[Jugs]

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They have had many close escapes to get their wins and recently they have stopped winning close games,

They lost one very close game against LeBron James and now they're a crap team in close games?

[St.Nick]

Here's an analogy for those who are defending Roy's selection based on his "importance to team"...and his "exceeding expectations."

Mike Dunleavy Jr has led the Pacers to the #9 seed so far (just like Roy with the Blazers). He is his team's MVP (just like Roy). His team is better than people gave them credit for before the season (like Roy). Therefore he deserves to be an all-star over Paul Pierce, a more established player putting up better numbers on a more winning team (like Roy vs Baron).

So why did Dunleavy get shafted? He has the same qualifications as Roy. He's led a team with low expectations to the ninth best conference record and put up good but not great stats in the process.

Face it, its just not right to put in a guy on a less winning team who is putting up worse stats and whom is less established, just because his team is doing better than people thought they would beforehand. If anything, Nate McMillan deserves the credit, not Roy.

[crzy]

If anything, Nate McMillan deserves (most of) the credit, not Roy.

+1

[GIVE_WADE_THE_MAX]

OMFG Roy is such a newb that its an atrocity they selected him over Deron or Davis.

Roy has barely half a year of success. Talk about forgetting the past. Deron lead his team to the Western Conf Finals and Davis lead his team to one of the greatest playoff upsets in hisotry. yet they are the two that are omitted from the ASG.

F'n amazing

[pillwenney]

I was under the impression that this was done because the team already kind of has 3 PG's.

Anyway, I feel like the bottom line is that Roy has far less over all talent around him than Baron. But if we're going completely off of who deserved it, Baron certainly deserved it over David West.

[GIVE_WADE_THE_MAX]

I was under the impression that this was done because the team already kind of has 3 PG's.

Anyway, I feel like the bottom line is that Roy has far less over all talent around him than Baron. But if we're going completely off of who deserved it, Baron certainly deserved it over David West.

disagree about West. Hes a beast and although its shocking he made the roster it wasnt a mistake. He also gets the added bonus of playing for NO. Obvioulsy Stern wants to promote the locals to show the nba does 'care'. Stern wants the franchise to recieve some shine so that Shinn can not force the move out of NO. Stren and the nba is adverse to nba relocation and promoting the local team as having 2 all stars will hopefully bring more people through the gate in NO, especially with their current record.

As for Roy, I've seen recent gamesa where if you step out on picks set for him he becomes useless. Teams havent really strategized a defense geared towards ROy. In the past week however teams have followoed a blueprint and have shut Roy down. I just dont see him as all star worthy.

[candy for lunch]

Roy has barely half a year of success. Talk about forgetting the past. Deron lead his team to the Western Conf Finals and Davis lead his team to one of the greatest playoff upsets in hisotry. yet they are the two that are omitted from the ASG.

F'n amazing

I'm pretty sure it's the 2008 all star game, but I could be wrong.

Teams havent really strategized a defense geared towards ROy.

Then who exactly have they been strategizing against this season?

[Wizenheimer]

For all this talk about how amazing Brandon Roy is for his team, has nobody noticed that they are out of the playoffs at #9 and most likely will stay that way? I will come on the record and say that they will finish around .500 and will not make the playoffs, while the Warriors will make the playoffs. Brandon Roy is a pretty good player on an average team, he does not deserve to go to the ASG over a very good player on a good team.

well, the "average" team has played the "good" team twice so far. The result is the "average" team has beaten the "good" team both times...by an average score of +14...and that's pretty good

[NetsNash13]

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Since their winning streak, they have played .500 ball. They have had many close escapes to get their wins and recently they have stopped winning close games, and their unreal home record has begun to come back to earth. Given that it is unlikely that they will become a good road team, this does not bode well for them, nor does the fact that their point differential is 6th worst in the WC. Everything is set up for them to fail in the second half, it is already beginning. In a sentence, the Blazers got lucky for a while but the other shoe will drop soon, if it hasn't already. By March Blazers fans will be talking about lotto balls again while bemoaning the fact that their good start has given them false hope.

I guarantee the Warriors miss the playoffs. For one, I don't trust Baron's health and why should he make the allstar team? The team was 0-6 without Stephen Jackson and I do think that Captain Jack is the MVP of the Warriors. If you are an MVP you find ways to win without a key player. I feel that the Rockets will beat out the Blazers and Warriors for the 8th seed. The Rockets should be your main threat to worry about, not the Blazers.

[JN]

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i couldnt agree more

DO you actually comprehend what your clapping to?

Your actually saying that not one player on the east all star team would make the first or second west all star team.

You are saying that all those players are better then Lebron James and Dwight Howard.

Well done.

[TMACFORMVP]

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I guarantee the Warriors miss the playoffs. For one, I don't trust Baron's health and why should he make the allstar team? The team was 0-6 without Stephen Jackson and I do think that Captain Jack is the MVP of the Warriors. If you are an MVP you find ways to win without a key player. I feel that the Rockets will beat out the Blazers and Warriors for the 8th seed. The Rockets should be your main threat to worry about, not the Blazers.

He's a Rockets fan.

Come on man, Jackson is very crucial to the team success as he's their vocal leader/best defender and 2nd option (though a very inconsistent streaky one) but it's painfully obvious when you watch the Warriors who their best player is. He's the guy that anchors their offense to make it the best fast-breaking team in the league, their 4th quarter closer (and a damn good one I might add, arguably the best this season after possibly LeBron and CP3).

It's not like he didn't do what he could when they went 1-6 without Stephen Jackson because in that stretch, he averaged...

24.8 points per game
9.4 assists per game

It's a team game, otherwise then Wade must be a scrub since his team couldn't win once in 15 games. Imagine how poorly the Warriors would play without Baron.

Baron definitely deserved it over Roy. The records are obviously too close to really say anything, but if it started today the Blazers would not be in the playoffs and the Warriors would, especially considering Portland has cooled off from their 13 game winning streak, losing 4 of their last 6 (only two wins against Atlanta by a COMBINED 3 points) and the Warriors are 28-13 in their last 41 games.

Then add to the fact that Baron is the more feared scorer, better play-maker/passer, rebounder and a wash on defense, I really can't understand how Roy would make it OVER him. I mean a guy like Deron Williams who was in his second year didn't make it was playing at a higher level and they were the surprise team of the Western Conference last season and had a Top 3 record by all-star break. Efficiency is the issue, which obviously brings it closer, but Baron's is somewhat overblown.

He's averaging a very respectable 35% from beyond the arc (especially considering the volume of threes he takes) and giving you also relatively high for his standards in the past 75% from the line.

Brandon Roy has a TS% of .540 and an .efg of .492
Baron Davis has a TS% of .535 and an .efg of .488

Again the difference is definitely over-blown.

Roy should and will definitely be an all-star in the future, especially when Oden comes back next year which should open it up even more for him, but this season as much as the Blazers have been the surprise of the NBA season, I just don't see how you can say he deserves it over a veteran like Baron Davis that's leading his team to a better record and putting up substantially better numbers in literally every category of the game.

[Effigy]

I see the top 7 staying the way it is. The 8th seed will be a coinflip between the Warriors and Blazers. Whoever gets a key injury will lose out.

Maybe. Portland does own the tiebreaker with Utah, winning the season series 3-1, also we have a chance to win the tiebreaker against Denver on Feb 4 at home.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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Baron is like Marbury. Great numbers, but without nearly the impact one would think. He dominates the ball, thus the high number of assists, and is a shot chucker, hence the 22 ppg despite his poor 41/30 shooting percentages. His free throw shooting has went from lousy to excellent, but it's not enough. Not when your team's an 8th seed.

LMFAO what a great job just repeating all the played out sh*t about Baron Davis. If you didn't know Baron is having the best season of his career and the Warriors have a better record than the Trailblazers right now. And you probably haven't even seen the playoffs last season.