For those who want to make a knee jerk reaction - dalambert?

[-SDU-]

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Suns Receive
Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
16.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 6.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
11.4 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 33.3 minutes


Philadelphia Receive
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
5.4 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 13.0 minutes
Shawn Marion
6-7 SF from UNLV
15.8 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.6 minutes

Atlantas 1st round draft pick


Why for phoenix, well this answers all the suns fans gripes. A legitimate defensive big who can average 10rp and 2bpg replacing marion in that sense, start him and allow amare to go to PF and become the dominant force in a more half court oriented system, increading his minutes by 10pg due to no longer being in foul trouble, probably averaging 28 and 11 and showing more of his great weak side help defense. Andre Miller gives us almost a perfect backup for steve nash with great scoring ability and passing skills, really there isnt a better available PG option out there for phoenix.

Why for philadelphia

whilst they take on the 15million owing on banks contract the next 3 years, they lose the 40 owing on dalamberts. they get a great professional in marion to teach their young guys who will no doubt opt out and give them the cap space they want to rebuild in the offseason. Throw into that the Atlanta draft pick which could well still be a lottery pick and there is incentive there for philly to do the deal

if need be we could give them strawberry and or tucker?

thoughts?

[Togo]

I am a university of utah alumnus, and I love Andre Miller....just not in Phoenix. I think he is a very good point guard, just not one where a prereq is that you need to be able to shoot. Diaw, Barbosa, and the ATL pick is all we have to trade. Good luck on getting something great out of that.

[-SDU-]

the sixers fans have their heart set on being far under the cap this offseason to get a quality FA and youth according to their boards

in which case, this deal works for them

[walkingart]

If we do anything with the Sixers, I want Iguodala. I don't know if they want to pay him in the off season.

Dalembert
Iguodala
Miller

4

Marion
Barbs

Marion probably opts out or can be traded on draft day.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 2009&cash=

[dm17415]

The Sixers are pretty high on Daly but Iguodala could be had for the right pieces.

[-SDU-]

i was really thinking of daly because of our need to get bigger and protect amare from fouls

iggy is great, but doesnt help that

[walkingart]

yeah, i don't JUST want Iggy. he would have to come with Daly.

I like Iggy to start at the 2, with Bell coming off the bench. He is a much better defender than Barbs. He is also going to demand a lot more money in the offseason.

Nash/Miller
Iggy/Bell
Diaw/Hill
Stat/
Daly/Skinner

we would be a legit 9 deep, if need be, I am sure we could move Miller to save some cash also.

[dm17415]

If we move Miller a 3 way trade could be worked out:

Sixers get -
Ira Newble
Cedric Simmons
Shawn Marion
Leandro Barbosa
Atl pick

Cavs get -
Andre Miller

Suns get -
Dalembert
Iguodala
Damon Jones

Sixer - Get expiring/cap space, young big in Cedric Simmons, Barbosa and possible draft pick.

Cavs - Gets a PG they have been cherishing.

Suns - Gets Daly to play C, Iguodala to handle the point when Nash sits and Damon Jones to be the spot up shooter.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

[KJ7]

I'm not a big fan of Dalembert. If we are gonna get a big I'd rather one that is a good one-ball post defender instead of another weak-side blocker. We've got 2 of those already.

Are there any slightly more athletic and younger versions of Kurt going around?

[dm17415]

I'm not a big fan of Dalembert. If we are gonna get a big I'd rather one that is a good one-ball post defender instead of another weak-side blocker. We've got 2 of those already.

Are there any slightly more athletic and younger versions of Kurt going around?

Good defending bigs are extremely hard to find without giving up a lot. With the trade above it allows Amare to play PF while Daly plays C and guard Duncan/Gasol/KG etc which Iggy can defend the guards and handle the ball.

[walkingart]

i don't want to see ATL's pick moved. i don't care what we get back. Atlanta is tanking it! no matter who we bring in, it it no guarantee for the future. but, knowing the Suns run of luck from the coin toss on; if we move that pick, Atlanta will fall further and somehow it will end up in the top 3.

personally, if you gave me a choice of being middle of the pack in the West the rest of the season with the hope that LA, and SA won't stay healthy or one will knock the other off AND WE GET A TOP THREE PICK IN NEXT SUMMER'S DRAFT I WOULD BE EXTREMELY HAPPY.

How about Beasley as a compliment to Amare, yeah, he is not a 7 footer, but I would role with it!

[KJ7]

Good defending bigs are extremely hard to find without giving up a lot. With the trade above it allows Amare to play PF while Daly plays C and guard Duncan/Gasol/KG etc which Iggy can defend the guards and handle the ball.

They're not gonna give up 2 young guns for 1 young gun and someone who may walk after this season.

I would love Iggy here but I don't think that's realistic. Furthermore, they would have no-one at C if they made they moved.

[dm17415]

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They're not gonna give up 2 young guns for 1 young gun and someone who may walk after this season.

I would love Iggy here but I don't think that's realistic. Furthermore, they would have no-one at C if they made they moved.

If they move Miller to Cavs they can get Simmons who will play C there, with Marion they get cap space and chance to get more with a S&T. Ofcourse the chance of the trade happening in none.

[KJ7]

Like I said they would have no-one to play C. C'mon Simmons as your starting center?

The guys played 5 games all season.

I can understand the cap space issue but IIRC all they need to do is trade A.Miller for an expiring. They don't need to gut their team of their 2 best players.

[walkingart]

after today, my opinion of what is realistic is in disarray!

if I would have started a thread yesterday that said Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame and Crittenton, I would have been eaten alive.

[KJ7]

after today, my opinion of what is realistic is in disarray!

if I would have started a thread yesterday that said Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame and Crittenton, I would have been eaten alive.

Good point ... I guess "fair value" should be used.

[-SDU-]

reggie evans could play C for them

[nevetsov]

reggie evans could play C for them

If they hired Mike D as their coach he would..

[guaves13]

I think Andre would be fine here. I would rather have our backup pg be a floor general and not a shooter then the other way around. Guys like Andre make players better. He would help LB, GH, and Skinner. Dally would be a huge upgrade over Skinner. I don't like his contract but it would be interesting to see him in our offense.