Congratulations Kobe - now #3 for number of 40 point games!!

[Bgil]

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Since the 04-05 season he has scored 40+ points 56 times in the regular season. Over that time he has played in 267 games. So thats 40+ every 4.7 games.

When did MJ or Wilt play with anyone who was avg'g 25ppg? Jordan never did and it wasn't until Wilt went to the Lakers and played with West that he did.

Kobe spent the majority of his career with Shaq who avg'd 27 points. So that comparison is apples and oranges........

Jordan played on a team that won 55 games without him.

[G35]

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Jordan played on a team that won 55 games without him.

You think Jordan would have as many 40 point games playing with Shaq.........

[INKtastic]

a wilt stat

Most 40+ points in a season: 63

[EHL]

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Wilt played 1045 games, thus scored 40+ in one out of about every 3.9 games
Jordan played 1072 games, thus scored 40+ in one out of about every 6.2 games
Kobe's played 828 games, thus scored 40+ in one out of about every 9.3 games

Meh. Neither player had to share the ball nearly as much as Bryant did with Shaq, nor did either player play a single game of NBA basketball at the age of 18, 19, 20, or 21 years old. Adjusting for age (22 and onward compared to, say, Jordan from 22 and onward), Bryant has averaged 40+ in one out of about every 6.4 games. And that still includes 4 seasons with Shaq.

[AgentK0be]

This further proof that Kobe is better than Jordan! oh wait, he's only barely halfway to MJ's mark.

don't forget that 81 pt. game Jordan had.....oh wait....forget it.....yea i said it....hahah dont get me wrong jordan was dope but some people jus cant give kobe the props he deserves (until hes on their team)

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

Kobe's had more seasons in the NBA to do it, but i think he'll end up finishing around 140 career wise.

[JordansBulls]

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Since the 04-05 season he has scored 40+ points 56 times in the regular season. Over that time he has played in 267 games. So thats 40+ every 4.7 games.

http://www.hoopshype.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm

[JordansBulls]

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Jordan played on a team that won 55 games without him.

He also played on a team that won 72 games and 69 with him the best and 2nd best record of all time and he was the leader.

[G35]

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I think that article sums it up nicely.

Kobe's line

19-28 67% FG, 4-8 3pt 50%, 4-4 FT's, 46 points


I think that pretty much sums up nicely the THEORY that players have to have 15-20 FTs/FTA's to score in the 40's.

Next.......

[G35]

Oh yeah lets go with Tex as the final word. Let's not be hypocrites shall we:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-22-143/Tex-Winter-Compares-Kobe-Bryant-and-Michael-Jordan.html

Roland Lazenby's Lakernoise blog has all kinds of interesting points to add to this debate, from Phil Jackson's longtime right-hand man (and current Laker consultant) Tex Winter. Winter has been around both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant for almost their entire careers. You should really read the whole thing, but here are some excerpts that Lazenby has generously let me cut and paste:

A few years back, the Lakers coaching staff concluded Bryant and Jordan were much alike, almost eerie, in fact, when it came to the alpha male qualities of their competitive natures.

Bryant himself came into the NBA with amazingly good post skills, but there was never room for him to play in the post with Shaquille O'Neal occupying the lane during their years together with the Lakers.

In a lot of ways, Bryant is Jordan's equal as a post player, Winter said, except for one critical element. "What's happened to Kobe and his post play - and he is a great post player - is that he's catching the ball just out of the lane and the defenders are forcing him out toward the wing."

Bryant has always faced questions about the quality and quantity of his shots.
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[JordansBulls]

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Kobe's line

19-28 67% FG, 4-8 3pt 50%, 4-4 FT's, 46 points


I think that pretty much sums up nicely the THEORY that players have to have 15-20 FTs/FTA's to score in the 40's.

Next.......

That's one game. If you really want to know the difference in their scoring ability take a look at the playoffs where one averages more than 10 ppg more than the other and shoots 5% better.

[G35]

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That's one game. If you really want to know the difference in their scoring ability take a look at the playoffs where one averages more than 10 ppg more than the other and shoots 5% better.

Your right there are some differences.


Jordans career FTA avg 8.2

Kobe's career FTA avg 7.7

Jordans career high 11.9 FTA's was nearly Shaq like compared to Kobe who has never passed the 11 FTA barrier for a season.

So even in this era that is geared to the offensive player Kobe still doesn't get the Baby Jesus treatment Jordan did.

Also Jordan never played with anyone as good a scorer as Shaq. But that's a point you just don't seem to want to get through your head. Oh yeah we should compare the Knicks/Heat defense that Jordan faced vs the Spurs/Pistons defense that Kobe faced but then that would be advantage for Kobe wouldn't it.........

[treefi]

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That's one game. If you really want to know the difference in their scoring ability take a look at the playoffs where one averages more than 10 ppg more than the other and shoots 5% better.

Your right there are some differences.


Jordans career FTA avg 8.2

Kobe's career FTA avg 7.7

Jordans career high 11.9 FTA's was nearly Shaq like compared to Kobe who has never passed the 11 FTA barrier for a season.

So even in this era that is geared to the offensive player Kobe still doesn't get the Baby Jesus treatment Jordan did.

Also Jordan never played with anyone as good a scorer as Shaq. But that's a point you just don't seem to want to get through your head. Oh yeah we should compare the Knicks/Heat defense that Jordan faced vs the Spurs/Pistons defense that Kobe faced but then that would be advantage for Kobe wouldn't it.........

You, sir.. are one of the biggest idiots I have seen on this board in my 6 years of being here.

[G35]

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You, sir.. are one of the biggest idiots I have seen on this board in my 6 years of being here.

Which doesn't address any of the points I made, making your comment pointless.......sir. Always a good thing to add when you want to soften up a comment........

[JordansBulls]

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That's one game. If you really want to know the difference in their scoring ability take a look at the playoffs where one averages more than 10 ppg more than the other and shoots 5% better.

Your right there are some differences.


Jordans career FTA avg 8.2

Kobe's career FTA avg 7.7

Jordans career high 11.9 FTA's was nearly Shaq like compared to Kobe who has never passed the 11 FTA barrier for a season.

So even in this era that is geared to the offensive player Kobe still doesn't get the Baby Jesus treatment Jordan did.

Also Jordan never played with anyone as good a scorer as Shaq. But that's a point you just don't seem to want to get through your head. Oh yeah we should compare the Knicks/Heat defense that Jordan faced vs the Spurs/Pistons defense that Kobe faced but then that would be advantage for Kobe wouldn't it.........

And in 3 years in the playoffs, Kobe has scored 40 like twice as the man. Whereas Jordan had postseasons of scoring 40+ 7 times.
Also Kobe has had 3 seasons of 10+ FTA in the last 3 years, MJ only had 2 seasons of 10+ FTA in his career. Iverson shot 11.5 FTA in 2006 so I guess that means the refs were pampering to him as well.

[JellosJigglin]

Who freakin' cares about Jordan. Kobe is #3 so congrats to him.

Thread crappers...I swear. So threatened by anything Kobe accomplishes.

[G35]

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And in 3 years in the playoffs, Kobe has scored 40 like twice as the man. Whereas Jordan had postseasons of scoring 40+ 7 times.
Also Kobe has had 3 seasons of 10+ FTA in the last 3 years, MJ only had 2 seasons of 10+ FTA in his career. Iverson shot 11.5 FTA in 2006 so I guess that means the refs were pampering to him as well.

And you still don't see how even with a rule change in place that players now still don't get the same amount of calls as Jordan did.........

[Bgil]

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I think that article sums it up nicely.

A little intellectual honesty please. They didn't change the rules. They just started calling them as written. In the 80's it wasn't a problem because no one played any defense by today's standard. In 1987-88, Detroit's "legendary" Jordan Rules team was the best defense in the league because they held teams to 104ppg and an icy 47% from the field.

That's not even considered defense today. The best defensive teams today hold their opponents under 90. Hell, 27 teams hold their opponents under 47% from the field.

According to Mark Cuban, the league stated they changed the calling of the games because of all the excessive in the league was bring scoring way down compared to the 80's- early 90's (when the excessive contact didn't exist). Specifically, they didn't like the way the Pistons got away with so much contact in the NBA Finals against the Lakers.

That's one game. If you really want to know the difference in their scoring ability take a look at the playoffs where one averages more than 10 ppg more than the other and shoots 5% better.

And don't forget to mention that some teams averaged 10-20 ppg more on 5-8% better shooting during most of Jordan's career. Not to mention that teams (like the Cavs, and Celtics) used Jordan's "selfishness" and scoring against him. They basically let him score and shut down everyone else to win.

Kobe OTOH figured that part out (particularly in the last three years) and makes it a point NOT TO SCORE A LOT in order to compete with superior teams like Phoenix. You did watch the LAL-PHX games of the last few seasons, right?

Jordan never really did understand why he could score 63 and lose or 69 and scrape by against an average team. He showed that in Washington too. Not to mention the 1992 Olympic team where he took by far the most shots and had by far the worst fg%.... Barkley and others were shooting 55-70% and he was shooting 45%.

Objective analysis of Jordan's scoring shows you that he was the leagues biggest egomanic and insisted that if he wasn't going to dominate the ball and score then he'd rather not play at all... as he said in Washington.

[JordansBulls]

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And don't forget to mention that the league averaged 10-20 ppg more on 5-8% better shooting during most of Jordan's career. Not to mention that teams (like the Cavs, and Celtics) used Jordan's "selfishness" and scoring against him. They basically let him score and shut down everyone else to win.

Kobe OTOH figured that part out (particularly in the last three years) and makes it a point NOT TO SCORE A LOT in order to compete with superior teams like Phoenix. You did watch the LAL-PHX games of the last few seasons, right?

Jordan never really did understand why he could score 63 and lose or 69 and scrape by against an average team. He showed that in Washington too. Not to mention the 1992 Olympic team where he took by far the most shots and had by far the worst fg%.... Barkley and others were shooting 55-70% and he was shooting 45%.

Objective analysis of Jordan's scoring shows you that he was the leagues biggest egomanic and insisted that if he wasn't going to dominate the ball and score then he'd rather not play at all... as he said in Washington.

Level headed people know that since Shaq left Kobe has not played stellar in the post season. Hell, it started with the dismal Pistons series.

The first Suns series Kobe played between very good and downright poor culimating in his infamous Game 7 flameout. The next year he shot 25% in the second half over the courst of the entire SERIES.

Now how do his teammates make him shoot 3 times ina Game 7? How do his teammates make him play well one game and mediorcre to poor in the next? How do his teammates make him shoot TWENTY FIVE PERCENT in the second half of an entire SERIES?

The answer is, they don't. It's a crap smokescreen designed to make people forget that Bryant has not had ANY legendary playoff series as the leader of his team, and he's often played downright poorly and hardly like "The best player in basketball, it ain't even close".

Don't let these apologists try to dissuade you from those FACTS, though they will try.

Fact is, MJ shot better than his team every year for the Bulls. Kobe hasn't shot better than his team in 5 years.

[JordansBulls]

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And you still don't see how even with a rule change in place that players now still don't get the same amount of calls as Jordan did.........

Sure they do. MJ shot 10+ FTA in 2 years, Kobe has done so in 3 years which means he has gotten more calls. Besides tell Kobe instead of jacking up 3's he'll get more calls.