Kidd to Houston

Chris Cohan · Post #1 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:53 pm

I'm a Warriors fan/critic.

Naturally, the glitzy Gasol move got me to wondering about how else a Webber-only midseason can prove utterly irrelevant. I came up with only one stab at it and probably won't bother with the stuff again:

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +14.4 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Viktor Khryapa
Chris Duhon
Ben Wallace
Bonzi Wells
Kirk Snyder

Outgoing Players
Jamaal Magloire
Jason Kidd

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -28.1 ppg, -14.8 rpg, and -6.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jamaal Magloire
Tracy McGrady

Outgoing Players
Viktor Khryapa
Chris Duhon
Luol Deng
Ben Gordon
Ben Wallace

Houston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +13.7 ppg, +7.2 rpg, and +8.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Jason Kidd
Luol Deng
Ben Gordon

Outgoing Players
Bonzi Wells
Kirk Snyder
Tracy McGrady

deviljets7 · Post #2 » by **deviljets7** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:58 pm

IBTL, Houston absolutely abuses NJ and CHI (NJ especially).

Chris Cohan · Post #3 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:59 pm

Were you not paying attention yesterday?

ecuhus1981 · Post #4 » by **ecuhus1981** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:02 pm

deviljets7 wrote:IBTL, Houston absolutely abuses NJ and CHI (NJ especially).

+1

Zero redeeming value to this trade.

RoxFan08 · Post #5 » by **RoxFan08** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:04 pm

Houston is my team, but they're right, we completely trash NJ and Chicago in this trade.

Chris Cohan · Post #6 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:06 pm

This is why I stay away from the trade threads.
This is not fantasy basketball. This is financial ball.

RoxFan08 · Post #7 » by **RoxFan08** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:15 pm

You are right in the sense that Houston takes on about 15 million additional salary (assuming Gordon + Deng signing = 20 mill or so), but as RFAs, they still have good value.

McGrady is worth a decent amount more than Kidd, but he and Bonzi aren't worth Kidd, Deng, and Gordon.

NJ could probably get expirings or 2 years at worst for Kidd. No incentive at all for them to take Wallace.

positivetension · Post #8 » by **positivetension** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:21 pm

ROWELL wrote:This is why I stay away from the trade threads.
This is not fantasy basketball. This is financial ball.

Explain the financial benefit for New Jersey making this trade, please and thank you. Also see if you can justify talent.

Also I don't think Chicago should mortgage their future for No-Bac. The team post-trade looks pretty mediocre. They are better off keeping Deng.

Storm Surge · Post #9 » by **Storm Surge** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:50 pm

I like this deal good all around, Houston making out like bandits more than makes up for the fact that the other teams get whacked.

Fair deal.

Chris Cohan · Post #10 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:10 pm

Editor's Note:

This trade proposal is clearly in response to the Gasol Heist that must have Chicago feeling like the league's biggest morons right about now. Any fantasy hacks doubting my genius deserve their respective carpal tunnel syndromes.

Post #11 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:15 pm

Wow I thought LA got away with murder yesterday, Houston gets away with rape and murder here.

Chris Cohan · Post #12 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:15 pm

To review:

Trade Chandler for garbage, sign Ben Wallace. Trade Aldridge for Thomas. Fail to get Garnett. Fail to get Gasol. Fail to get Bryant. Fail to get Gasol again, who was clearly available. CLEARLY.

Paxson is out.

May as well lay some explosives on the way out of town.

New Jersey has to lose Kidd ($7 million instant savings). Sure, Duhon/Khryapa ain't slouches and Wallace is not as done as he looks in Chicago, where he's lost interest, but New Jersey doesn't really need cap relief any sooner than they'll already get it and Wallace probably isn't on anyone's short list.

Deng is being severely overrated and an under-team-control McGrady in place of a gone Gordon/Deng/Duhon resigning nightmare and next to Nocioni and Hinrich is being severely underrated. Nevermind if New Jersey, by some strange set of non-RealGM headline circumstances, actually LIKES Ben Wallace while Chicago can't believe they have to pay him for three years. Toss in Ty Thomas and ship a pick to Chicago and I think folks start to think a little more.

But again: total pile of crap with even better arguments against than these preliminary angles in support.

Lots of reasons this trade is a total farce but no one has said anything cogent about them at all to this point.

RoxFan08 · Post #13 » by **RoxFan08** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:17 pm

ROWELL wrote:Editor's Note:

This trade proposal is clearly in response to the Gasol Heist that must have Chicago feeling like the league's biggest morons right about now. Any fantasy hacks doubting my genius deserve their respective carpal tunnel syndromes.

nice.

Chris Cohan · Post #14 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:33 pm

Houston could always start winging their expirings around, too. Sura should still be fair game for trades, etc.

No need to involve Chicago or move McGrady at all.