Oden at 293 lbs

[Dakotah612]

A little blurb in todays Newsday:

A noticeably chiseled Greg Oden, who is recovering from microfracture surgery, has gained 40 pounds since being drafted first overall and is weighing in at 293.

Bobby Medina maintains that Oden still has roughly the same body fat % as he was this summer (7.9%). Oden is a freak of nature.

[Dakotah612]

Oden will tone up a lot with the heavy cardio this summer. His goal playing weight is 290 lbs.

[Yadadimean]

Oden will tone up a lot with the heavy cardio this summer. His goal playing weight is 290 lbs.

HEY SUESS FUTHAMUCKIN CHRIZIST!!! SHAQ PT 2??????

[kumquat]

Oden=Beast

How scary is it that we have himawaiting in the wings.

[mojomarc]

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HEY SUESS FUTHAMUCKIN CHRIZIST!!! SHAQ PT 2??????

That's pretty much what I said when this came up last time, and why I think people who say Oden will be a 15ppg player are wrong. When you have a guy who can carry that kind of weight with explosiveness and length, you run the ball into him to abuse the other team night in and night out.

Just think--this i 285lb Shaq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU. My guess is that if Oden had stayed in college he'd have alot of youtube clips like this.

[Wizenheimer]

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That's pretty much what I said when this came up last time, and why I think people who say Oden will be a 15ppg player are wrong. When you have a guy who can carry that kind of weight with explosiveness and length, you run the ball into him to abuse the other team night in and night out.

Just think--this i 285lb Shaq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU. My guess is that if Oden had stayed in college he'd have alot of youtube clips like this.

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[Dome]

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I though you went up to the snow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU

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[Billy]

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That's pretty much what I said when this came up last time, and why I think people who say Oden will be a 15ppg player are wrong. When you have a guy who can carry that kind of weight with explosiveness and length, you run the ball into him to abuse the other team night in and night out.

Just think--this i 285lb Shaq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU. My guess is that if Oden had stayed in college he'd have alot of youtube clips like this.

Perhaps we misunderstood and they really meant 15 points per half?

[Norm2953]

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That's pretty much what I said when this came up last time, and why I think people who say Oden will be a 15ppg player are wrong. When you have a guy who can carry that kind of weight with explosiveness and length, you run the ball into him to abuse the other team night in and night out.

Just think--this i 285lb Shaq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU. My guess is that if Oden had stayed in college he'd have alot of youtube clips like this.

Most teams would gladly take 15 ppg, 12 rpg, with great defense...

I think we all need to take a realistic approach to Oden. Next year he will be coming back from micro-fracture surgery and he's going to need some time to get his game back and his team mates will need time to adjust to his game. He will be stepping onto good team that won over 40 games the season before and will be asked to first help address the teams biggest weakness (rebounding) and defense. Oden will be a 20 year old player with no NBA experience coming off of a missed season and if he scores less than we think he can score, that will be okay, if he helps with the teams weakness.

I think the following year will be somewhere between where Dwight Howard was in 04 and 06 for we have a much better team than Orlando had and with Roy, LA, Outlaw and Rudi, we have some guys who can score points. The initial question was what Oden would be averaging
during his rookie contract and my thought was that while he might be better than 15 ppg and 12 rpg during his second or more likely his third season, we won't have a need for him to score more points for if we have the cap space in 2009 and can add another great piece to go with Roy, LA,
Outlaw, etc, those other guys will be putting up great numbers on a team that might be winning over 60 games by the end of his rookie contract. There would be no need for him to score tons of points if we have 5 guys or more who are in double figures.

[swede]

I just want to be a homer. The surgery isn't going to have done anything but give Oden a reason to get yoked. We make sure he stays out atleast a year, bring him along slowly, and have him break LBJ over his knee.

BTW, does this give you a better idea of Lebron's 6'8" 260 coming at you. Crikey.

[Twith]

God, that video made me miss Shaq. If it weren't for him being on the Lakers in his prime he would have been one of my all time favorites.

[Teen Girl Squad]

Oden has a great body but even in that video can can clearly see that Shaq has a naturally larger frame. I oubt Oden needs to ever break the 300lb mark. 290 sounds right.

[mojomarc]

Most teams would gladly take 15 ppg, 12 rpg, with great defense...

You are msitaken--most teams would gladly take 15/12 from good center. Oden was drafted with the assumption that he would be, at the very least, the best center drafted since Tim Duncan. If Tim Duncan gave you 15/12, you would call it an off season. Heck, 15/12 gives you Chris Kaman. Are you saying that all that hype when we drafted him was about us getting the next Chris Kaman????

I think we all need to take a realistic approach to Oden. Next year he will be coming back from micro-fracture surgery and he's going to need some time to get his game back and his team mates will need time to adjust to his game. He will be stepping onto good team that won over 40 games the season before and will be asked to first help address the teams biggest weakness (rebounding) and defense. Oden will be a 20 year old player with no NBA experience coming off of a missed season and if he scores less than we think he can score, that will be okay, if he helps with the teams weakness.

I think the following year will be somewhere between where Dwight Howard was in 04 and 06 for we have a much better team than Orlando had and with Roy, LA, Outlaw and Rudi, we have some guys who can score points. The initial question was what Oden would be averaging
during his rookie contract and my thought was that while he might be better than 15 ppg and 12 rpg during his second or more likely his third season, we won't have a need for him to score more points for if we have the cap space in 2009 and can add another great piece to go with Roy, LA,
Outlaw, etc, those other guys will be putting up great numbers on a team that might be winning over 60 games by the end of his rookie contract. There would be no need for him to score tons of points if we have 5 guys or more who are in double figures.

I disagree about all of it other than I think you may be right that as a rookie his numbers might be around 15/12, giving him the benefit of the doubt of being a rookie and all. But here's the deal--Oden will have the power of a Shaq, with great hands (I can't remember him bobbling many passes at OSU last year with only one good hand, and I watched ten or so games not including the tourney). When you have that kind of advantage, I don't care if you do have Rudy and Roy--you give the ball to the guy who can score at 60%. Rudy and Roy are there for scoring on fast breaks and for opening the floor for Oden, keeping the defenses honest, in the fairly near run. They are there to make teams pay for double teaming Oden, not the other way around. In fact, if Oden is only scoring 15 points then that means he's essentially having no plays run for him, and Nate probably should be fired for not understanding how to coach a team with a player that dominant physically and skills-wise at that position, and if that's his top end KP should be fired for so greatly missing in his talent evaluation in the last draft and passing on Durant.

[ph1sh55]

Oden made horford look like a little kid in the ncaa final game...and look at what Horford is doing in the NBA right now at CENTER! (something I didn't think he could play at the next level). Give Oden 20 games of nba experience and he'll be dominating at a level Dwight Howard occassionally does now.

[Norm2953]

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I disagree about all of it other than I think you may be right that as a rookie his numbers might be around 15/12, giving him the benefit of the doubt of being a rookie and all. But here's the deal--Oden will have the power of a Shaq, with great hands (I can't remember him bobbling many passes at OSU last year with only one good hand, and I watched ten or so games not including the tourney). When you have that kind of advantage, I don't care if you do have Rudy and Roy--you give the ball to the guy who can score at 60%. Rudy and Roy are there for scoring on fast breaks and for opening the floor for Oden, keeping the defenses honest, in the fairly near run. They are there to make teams pay for double teaming Oden, not the other way around. In fact, if Oden is only scoring 15 points then that means he's essentially having no plays run for him, and Nate probably should be fired for not understanding how to coach a team with a player that dominant physically and skills-wise at that position, and if that's his top end KP should be fired for so greatly missing in his talent evaluation in the last draft and passing on Durant.

That's where we differ for guys like Shaq and Duncan played longer in college and were not coming off of major surgery. Remember Oden for all of his physical gifts has never been known to be a dominant scorer on a consistent basis. He's going to need to comfortable coming back from his
first major injury and will need some refinements in his game for he will be playing against for the most part guys that are closer to his size. He's also going to have to stay out of the foul trouble which we saw in college and during the summer league.

Hey, I'd like to be wrong for who wouldn't want to get 25 ppg and 15 rpg out of their center. We are going to be great dynamic team winning well over 50 games starting next season. Nate's going to have fun penciling Oden into his starting lineup and we will be explosive offensively on the break. It's just we don't need to have Oden score 25 ppg to win championships for if the numbers were 18-20 ppg with 15Rbg, 4 blocks
playing on a balanced roster that has 5 or 6 guys in double figures that is annual threat to win championships.

The only thing that matters is winning championships. What if the teams stats are as follows

Roy 18 ppg 7 apg
LA 18 ppg 9 rbg
Oden 15-18 ppg 12 rbg
Rudi 12 ppg 4 apg
Outlaw 12 ppg 5 rbg

Player xx signed as free agent with cap space in 2009 might score in double figures as either a PG or SF. The other guys on the team might score from 5-8 ppg in limited time but if we don't get that guy as a free agent, our starting guys with Outlaw and whoever we get would be getting us perhaps 90 ppg with other guys perhaps giving us another 20-25 ppg.
I just think the culture of the team will not want to emphasize one player's
stats and would prefer balanced scoring. That's not to say our guys would not feed Oden so that he could get us 40 points if there is a clear mismatch but we could have guys who will go off on different nights.

[mojomarc]

I think if we have those stats you describe, Norm, that we're competitive but we're hardly a dynasty. We would live and die by the outside shot, and eventually in the playoffs that will kill you. In the end, we need Oden to be far more dominant than you describe to ensure that we are in the finals year after year.

[Norm2953]

I think if we have those stats you describe, Norm, that we're competitive but we're hardly a dynasty. We would live and die by the outside shot, and eventually in the playoffs that will kill you. In the end, we need Oden to be far more dominant than you describe to ensure that we are in the finals year after year.

That's probably right but I would hope LA's points would come from
playing off of Oden's double teams. Our guys are going to get a lot of
open looks with Oden around and hopefully Roy, LA, Outlaw, etc will make the other teams pay. I think all of us agree Oden is always going to be the
first option so he could score 25 ppg when the playoffs arrive and the games slow down. I envision LA scoring tons of point from 10-12 feet playing off of Oden and Roy playing a lot of two man games with Oden.

Mojo, as much as I like the team this season, I can't wait for November 2008 for a number of reasons. Oden, Roy and LA on the court; at the same time, I can't wait. With the Sonics leaving town, the entire region might get behind this team for everyone loves a winner.

[Dakotah612]

PORTLAND - Let me be the first to predict Portland to advance to the Finals next season.

A few of the writers drove up to the Blazers' practice facility in the suburbs this morning and saw rookie center Greg Oden rehabbing. Wow.

Oden has become a monster, broad shoulders and chest, thicker legs. Oden, whose out for the season because of knee surgery, said he's put on 40 pounds since the Blazers made him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

The Blazers made sure to keep Oden around the team at all times this season to get him acclimated with the NBA lifestyle. "I'm like a scout,'' Oden said. "It's better than college.''

Oden's suits don't fit him anymore. "Kind of tight,'' said Oden, whose been hitting the weight room like a beast and downing lots of steaks. If only Eddy Curry Eddy Curry had Oden's work ethic.

Oden's got a great, strong body now to go along with his wingspan. He's going to block a ton of shots and snatch a storm of rebounds in this league. He fills the role the resurgent Blazers lack this season.

-NYPost (via Hoopshype)

[Effigy]

How is his knee that he has to keep weight off going to be able to handle this extra weight? I'm worried.

[magee]

He'll probably play at 275-280 next season once he can start running again. A lot of added weight is a concern, but, if he retains the same body fat % he had in college, then it shouldn't be as big of a problem.

I can't wait.