Having Korver makes the Jazz a significantly better team.

[stevebozell]

Just to point out how stupid your argument is......How do you explain Korver only shooting 33%, if he's such a good shooter?

[red4hf]

It's funny, first people were saying that Giricek should just be shooting threes because that's what he's good at, now they're saying he's not a good outside shooter so that's why Sloan didn't give him the green light...... Do people think about the things they say BEFORE they actually say them?

By the way, this season, Giri is shooting the 3 better than Korver, so why does Korver have the green light and not Giri? How did Korver "earn" it? By shooting at about 20% his first 10 games here?

[The Sheik]

By the way, this season, Giri is shooting the 3 better than Korver, so why does Korver have the green light and not Giri? How did Korver "earn" it? By shooting at about 20% his first 10 games here?

Everybody knows Korver is a better 3pt shooter then Gira. In fact your statement as a whole is wrong. As Jazz men they are identical and for the season (both teams) Korver is better. I dont get why both sides cant let this go, it just seems like this convo is going nowhere.

[stevebozell]

You want it to end, yet chimed in? Strange.

[sodapop]

I watched him those 25 games, he did exactly what he has tried to do since, DRIVE THE BALL...... That's why those 25 games he averaged the highest amount of free throws per minute of his career...... And he only made 14 threes in those games...... And then we decided to make him a spot up shooter, which is something he wasn't.......

Of course they do...... My point is we forced Giri to play DIFFIRENTLY after giving him that contract....... Instead of focusing on his strenght, we tried to make him a spot up shooter and that's the reason for his decline......

His 2003-04 shot selection was 77% jump shooting from the outside, 23% from inside.

In 2004-05 his shot selection was 78% outside and 22% inside.

That pretty much shoots your argument down that they tried to change him, and that he was a slasher.

The only thing the Jazz tried to change was his freelancing.

[The Sheik]

You want it to end, yet chimed in? Strange.

I think all you do is loom around the board and wait for opportunities to be pessimistic, sarcastic or snide. Kudos!

[sodapop]

It's funny, first people were saying that Giricek should just be shooting threes because that's what he's good at, now they're saying he's not a good outside shooter so that's why Sloan didn't give him the green light...... Do people think about the things they say BEFORE they actually say them?

By the way, this season, Giri is shooting the 3 better than Korver, so why does Korver have the green light and not Giri? How did Korver "earn" it? By shooting at about 20% his first 10 games here?

Giricek had the green light if the shot came in the offense. Same as Korver. It's really quite simple once you accept the fact that he cut plays short. And freely admits it.

[dalekjazz]

Even though Giricek may have superior physical ability, Korver has a superior basketball IQ.

[stevebozell]

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I think all you do is loom around the board and wait for opportunities to be pessimistic, sarcastic or snide. Kudos!

And I think all you do is loom around and try to be a wanna be mod. Either way, I was participating in the debate, when you come in and try and shut it down. If you REALLY wanted the thread to die, instead of pretending to be a mod, you wouldnt have made a post in it. Thats the way I see normal people acting in that situation anyway.

[jazzfan1971]

I think the Jazz are significantly better with Korver. I wonder if our record doesn't support that.

[The Sheik]

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And I think all you do is loom around and try to be a wanna be mod. Either way, I was participating in the debate, when you come in and try and shut it down. If you REALLY wanted the thread to die, instead of pretending to be a mod, you wouldnt have made a post in it. Thats the way I see normal people acting in that situation anyway.

thats a weak argument, I would have expected better from you. Im the furthest thing from a wanna be mod, nice try though . Anyway I will stay out of your discussion. You and sodapop have a blast.

[Pai Gow]

Just to point out how stupid your argument is......How do you explain Korver only shooting 33%, if he's such a good shooter?

Korver gets the respect around the league its ALWAYS one less defender doubling down low cause they KNOW Korver can hit anywhere on the court, we never had that with Gordan.

And hot shot, you still didn't answer my question as to if Gordan was SUCH a great shooter in the playoffs, why did he overall shoot just 42%? Just goes to show his 3-point shooting was clearly a fluke, just like his entire career in the NBA.

[red4hf]

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Everybody knows Korver is a better 3pt shooter then Gira. In fact your statement as a whole is wrong. As Jazz men they are identical and for the season (both teams) Korver is better. I dont get why both sides cant let this go, it just seems like this convo is going nowhere.

Not this year he isn't better....... Not as a Jazz player he isn't better........

So again, how does he get the green light?

[red4hf]

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His 2003-04 shot selection was 77% jump shooting from the outside, 23% from inside.

In 2004-05 his shot selection was 78% outside and 22% inside.

That pretty much shoots your argument down that they tried to change him, and that he was a slasher.

The only thing the Jazz tried to change was his freelancing.

Seriously how old are you? If you catch the ball at the 3 point line, drive it for 8 feet and shoot, that will still count as a jump shot and as an outside shot, so the percentages of shots won't change....... That's what Giri did when he got here, that's his strength.......

What did we make him do? Catch the ball and just shoot, do nothing else, that's not his strenth.......

Some people really need to start thinking.......

[red4hf]

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Giricek had the green light if the shot came in the offense. Same as Korver. It's really quite simple once you accept the fact that he cut plays short. And freely admits it.

This is just complete nonsense...... He never had any kind of light to shoot the ball.......

And I still don't get how people think all of Korver's shots come "within the offense", he's the only Jazz player, ever, that takes threes on a fast break........

[red4hf]

I think the Jazz are significantly better with Korver. I wonder if our record doesn't support that.

And we were significantly better when we first traded for Giricek and our record showed that too.......

So what does that prove Jazzfan?

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Korver gets the respect around the league its ALWAYS one less defender doubling down low cause they KNOW Korver can hit anywhere on the court, we never had that with Gordan.

And hot shot, you still didn't answer my question as to if Gordan was SUCH a great shooter in the playoffs, why did he overall shoot just 42%? Just goes to show his 3-point shooting was clearly a fluke, just like his entire career in the NBA.

OK, hotshot, if Korver is such a great shooter, how come his career FG% is .421, huh?

[sodapop]

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Seriously how old are you? If you catch the ball at the 3 point line, drive it for 8 feet and shoot, that will still count as a jump shot and as an outside shot, so the percentages of shots won't change....... That's what Giri did when he got here, that's his strength.......

What did we make him do? Catch the ball and just shoot, do nothing else, that's not his strenth.......

Some people really need to start thinking.......

Of the 77% he shot from the outside in 2003-4 only 21% were close jump shots. Of the 78% in 2004-05, 21% were close jump shots.

I'm old enough to know where to find statistics instead of throwing out opinion as facts. I'm old enough to know that when a person starts name calling it's due to a weak argument. I'm old enough to know that your just baiting now, as we have been repeating ourselves the past several pages.

[sodapop]

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And we were significantly better when we first traded for Giricek and our record showed that too.......

So what does that prove Jazzfan?

Our record with Giricek in the 25 games he played was 11 wins and 14 losses that's a 44.0 percentage. The records don't show it.

Just keep throwing out the made up statistics. It takes away any credibility your argument may have.

[sodapop]

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This is just complete nonsense...... He never had any kind of light to shoot the ball....... .....

So your saying that the coaches never told him to shoot? With the thousands of shots he took it's no wonder he was traded.