WC AS snubees

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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first...I've seen you posting over and over in these ASG threads and almost all your posts have an angry and pugnacious tone...you should try decaf...it's only an all-star game for chrissakes.

second, since you repeatedly state the fact that GS has a better record then the blazers...by one game...which you imply means they are a better team, I thought I'd stick a burr under your saddle by pointing out that portland has beaten the warriors twice so far, and the games weren't close.

What does it mean?...not much at this point, but it's at least as relevant as mid-season records in determining the better team.

I'd anticipate GS will end up with the better record, but at this stage that's not certain.

What seems more certain is that Roy will be in the all-star game this year...and davis won't. Warrior's fans beef should be with the coaches that voted for the reserves, rather then with Brandon Roy. But unfocused anger is like that...that's why decaf helps.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php? ... 2&start=48

Yeah but Portland had had a lot more HOME games than Golden State, and won most of their games at home while they did a little poorly on the ROAD. Had they played as many road games as Golden State their record probably would have been worse than it is now. And Golden State has a winning road record too.

And yes you're right, it IS MISLEADING to look at records. The Warriors started off the season 0-6, and ever since that 0-6 start we have won the 2nd most amount of games in the league, while Boston is first with only 1 more win than us. And the Warriors are only 4.5 games behind that number 1 spot in the Western Conference, a 5-1 start to the season would easily made us the top team in the west right now.

And Blazers are 5-5 in their last 10 games while the Warriors are 7-3.

There you go. "I thought I'd stick a burr under your saddle" lmao.

[BlzrsExplosion]

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Baron Davis's team won in a blowout game where the whole 4th quarter was garbage time. Brandon Roy needed a triple double JUST to beat the Knicks in overtime. Oh wow. Brandon Roy is amazing.

Congrats on the win! Stephen Jackson had a great game! So did Ellis....so did Biedrins....

[risktaker91]

It's sad how Roy went ahead of Baron Davis. I feel bad for GSW fans, coaches have disappointed.

[Alex_De_Large]

Roy is not better than Ginobili or Kevin Martin, how can he be better than a top10 player in the NBA?

[BROWN]

Honestly Warriors fans need to stop moaning about the allstar game... the coaches pick for it. Deal with it. If anything you need to root for him to make the all nba team( a much more significant award) which he has only done once in his career, which is appalling given that several of you have said he he is the best all round point guard in the game.

IF TD wouldn't have made it this year, or any of the spurs, how would you feel?

TD is the best all around power forward. .... so first put yourself in our position then write.. because most of the things you do write is flat out against the warrior fan base and their players.

hater

[J~Rush]

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IF TD wouldn't have made it this year, or any of the spurs, how would you feel?

TD is the best all around power forward. .... so first put yourself in our position then write.. because most of the things you do write is flat out against the warrior fan base and their players.

hater

Most important part of the post.

[tsherkin]

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IF TD wouldn't have made it this year, or any of the spurs, how would you feel?

TD is the best all around power forward. .... so first put yourself in our position then write.. because most of the things you do write is flat out against the warrior fan base and their players.

hater

But this is a bad example, since Duncan is a lot better than Baron Davis and the Spurs are not a bubble playoff team at the moment. There's a rather pronounced difference between the Spurs and the Warriors, even though their respective records are fairly close. The Spurs are having an off-year away from home and have suffered through some injuries; they're still 20-5 at home and are on pace for about 53 wins, pending their usual second-half run. They are still a game and a half ahead of the Warriors, in spite of the various travails they have faced.

Tim Duncan is a two-time MVP, a guy who's been robbed of a few DPOYs and who has three Finals MVPs. He is still producing as a player as well; he's a 20/11/3 player this year (19.6 ppg, anyway) and shooting about 54% from the floor, shooting the 4th-best FT% of his career and hasn't rebounded this well on the offensive glass since 03-04 (or in general, for that matter).

Consequently, when you're talking about Baron vs. Duncan ITO All-Star selection, there's really no comparison. The Spurs would be completely jilted for Duncan to have missed the All-Star team because Duncan is easily one of the three best players in the league, conservatively speaking and Baron Davis is "just" another All-Star-caliber guard.

Obviously, that's a bit of an understatement, but still, the point stands. That'd be like saying "well what if Shaq didn't make it in 00-01, how would you feel?"

It's ridiculous.

[Blame Rasho]

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IF TD wouldn't have made it this year, or any of the spurs, how would you feel?

TD is the best all around power forward. .... so first put yourself in our position then write.. because most of the things you do write is flat out against the warrior fan base and their players.

hater

Stop being oversensitive and then don't call me a hater. It is just pathetic that you have to resort to labeling people in order to have some sort of moral victory. In fact.. why don't you go and look for things I have said about the Warriors before you even saying anything about my character.

If you want to cry... fine but don't except everyone to agree with you. He isn't the only player who had an* allstar season. Deal with it.

In all honestly I could care less about some allstar game which has no real bearing on how good a player really is.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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IF TD wouldn't have made it this year, or any of the spurs, how would you feel?

TD is the best all around power forward. .... so first put yourself in our position then write.. because most of the things you do write is flat out against the warrior fan base and their players.

hater

Nah, the Spurs are a dynasty. They don't know what it feels like for people to be accustomed to seeing their team as a losing team. Especially when it comes to the All-Star game, the last Warrior to ever be an All-Star is LATRELL SPREEWELL. That's why we've been craving for a Warrior to rep us in the All-Star game for more than a DECADE.

[lukeridenour]

why dont we all just take ginobilis take on being snubbed..

[CupcakeNoFillin]

^^Man whatever. Hows a 6th man gonna make the all-star team anyways.

[Fitz303]

^^Man whatever. Hows a 6th man gonna make the all-star team anyways.

I really hope thats a joke

[crzy]

I'm over it.

Baron Davis will never get any respect that he deserves and the Warriors won't have an All-Star until Monta Ellis makes it in 2012.

[St.Nick]

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Just think, maybe he'll be good enough to get a roster spot on the all +/- team!

Unless its picked by the coaches or by Roy fans, who totally overlook statistics as an indicator of performance.

[candy for lunch]

Indeed, statistics are the end-all be-all indicator of a player's abilities. Shame Vince Carter got snubbed this year too

[GJense4181]

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:nonono: I really hope thats a joke

You DON'T think that's a valid point?

[code_monkey]

As a Jazz fan I love D-Will, but I'd still pick Baron over him for the ASG. As for Roy, that's a **** joke. Ah well, doesn't matter, Blazers won't make the playoffs and the ASG vote won't matter for ****.

-CM

[Fitz303]

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You DON'T think that's a valid point?

Not in the least bit. Manu doesnt deserve to be an all star because he a 6th man? It doesnt matter WHEN you enter the game, what matters is the impact that you have. Manu is one of the best players on a perennial power house. He puts up big numbers, and plays big minutes. It doesnt matter one bit that he comes off the bench because its whats best for the team. All im saying is that him being a 6th man should have NO bearing on whether hes an all star

[St.Nick]

Indeed, statistics are the end-all be-all indicator of a player's abilities. Shame Vince Carter got snubbed this year too

If Vince Carter put up those stats and led his team to wins 60% of the time--like Baron does--then he'd be on the AS team.

You see the major flaws in your argument, right?

[jazz__stoner]

Davis is underrated as a point guard. His ball-dominance and relative inefficiency are one thing; I'm not a fan of him in a scoring role, not at all, but his playmaking skills are undeniable and should be described as such. They do not result from him "dominating the ball," that's just false.

Davis' biggest problem is that he believes he can shoot threes well enough to justify more than 2 or 3 attempts a game, and he's wrong. He needs to take about half as many threes as he takes now and that'd be a nice start... but that's not going to happen under Don Nelson and his "an open shot is a good one" policy, but he was always a chucker from downtown, so it's not like Nelson is really the issue.

Still, this year? The Warriors are on pace for something like 49 wins and they are presently looking to make the playoffs for the second consecutive season. Given that and his leadership position on the team, even putting aside Stephen Jackson's contributions, I think he is definitely someone who deserved All-Star consideration and I don't like Baron Davis as a player at all.

Over whom would I have selected him? Tough call; I'd still have taken Roy over him. I think Roy's impact on Portland is more significant than Baron's on the Warriors, personally, even though Roy isn't necessarily as impressive statistically. I'd have taken Baron as an extra guard over David West, I think. Given the size of the starting lineup and the other bigs on the bench, yeah, I'd have gone Baron over West.

I'd CERTAINLY have gone Kaman over West.

Very nice.